X11 is not dead , please , is not even deprecated as you well know and Wayland is your focus, not mine, I don't use Wayland, I don't care if wayland is good or bad , is a choice that I made and I even don't have to give any justification for that . Thinking that removing X11 will accelerate Wayland development is very wrong in my point of view . First, x.org have lack of resources as always had, since when Xfree86 times. Second as X11 is designed, doesn't need much development or maintenance because is modular. X11 is one technology with 36 years [1], but it had a major release in 2005, xorg 7.0 , since then we have many improvements outside of xorg- server like input devices , support for touch screens, xrandr, video card acceleration, etc, outside of X11-server That's what I want to focus, Wayland is not mature enough for production in my point of view and maybe will not be soon , because in my point of view, we have lack of resources and in opposite X11 is very stable nowadays, is very rare a screen freeze etc , and is maintained . KDE-sig should re-enable X11 and re-add X11 code that was removed , pointing out we have more people that ask to have X11 that all kde-sig members and some kde-sig members are unreponsive . [1] https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/History/ A 14 de julho de 2024 13:21:38 WEST, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> escreveu: > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 8:00 AM John Pilkington > <johnpilk222@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I have posted earlier about this driver, which is not claimed to > > support > > wayland. It seemed to me that the kde support group, in > > abandoning x11, > > had chosen to create a dev-playground with little commitment to > > user-support. > > > > > > This is insulting. We spend a *lot* of time working with users and > developers alike to support KDE Plasma. Efforts around X11 have been > dead for years, the focus has been on Wayland for quite some time > now. > We *are* committed to working to support people where reasonable with > Plasma Wayland. > > We still support Plasma X11 on Fedora 39 and CentOS/RHEL 9, where > Plasma 5 is still used. > > > After almost-daily dnf upgrades my F40-only box does now appear to > > be > > usable with the low-end nvidia GT710 hardware and the > > xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-470xx package from the > > rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-testing repo. > > > > This is true only if I install plasma-workspace-x11 and choose the > > plasma-x11 desktop. Choosing plasma-wayland looks workable but > > fills > > /tmp with plasmashell crash reports. > > > > At present my grub command line gives nouveau, without hardware > > decoding, following the rpmfusion nvidia howto. This is ok for > > me, but > > maybe a different grub line could restore hardware support. > > > > I haven't recently experimented with my Windows 10 dual-boot box, > > with a > > similar video card. Last time I tried it, it consistently froze > > quite > > late in the boot sequence. > > > > > > There are a number of single-slot AMD GPUs around that you could > replace that GT710 with, just by looking at a Newegg search[1]. And > there are some low profile, low end Intel Arc GPUs[2] that would be > way more beneficial to provide coverage of modern video codecs in > hardware. Either of those would be great upgrades for your system and > get you off the nearly-EOL NVIDIA 470 driver that does not receive > much support from NVIDIA now and let you use Plasma Wayland quite > well. > > But if you still want to use NVIDIA, we have good support for NVIDIA > GTX 1600/RTX 2000 or newer out of the box, and the current NVIDIA > driver series (555) supports GTX 900 and higher with Plasma Wayland. > > [1]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601413100%20600100181 > [2]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601407022%20601422177 > > > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- Sérgio M. B. -- _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
