Re: qtbase: enable journald logging (for f24)?

[Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Am 29.02.2016 um 20:03 schrieb Rex Dieter:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> > Am 29.02.2016 um 19:50 schrieb Rex Dieter:
> > > Reindl Harald wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am 29.02.2016 um 19:43 schrieb Rex Dieter:
> > > > > Reindl Harald wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Am 29.02.2016 um 19:29 schrieb Rex Dieter:
> > > > > > > Reindl Harald wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Am 29.02.2016 um 18:42 schrieb Rex Dieter:
> > > > > > > > > qt5-qtbase has build options:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >       +  -no-journald ........ Do not send logging output to
> > > > > > > > >       journald.
> > > > > > > > >          -journald ........... Send logging output to journald.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and I'm considering enabling the -journald option for f24, and
> > > > > > > > > concerns or objections?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > please ship some rsyslog.d/ snippet with it to not clutter
> > > > > > > > /var/log/messages for people which continue to use rsyslog for a lot
> > > > > > > > of reasons
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm unfamiliar with that, can you be more specific with how that
> > > > > > > works and is related to journald usage, and ideally, provide a
> > > > > > > specific snippet to use
> > > > > >
> > > > > > something like below and see also
> > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1304828
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's annoying on a rsyslog-setup that you get everything in the global
> > > > > > logfile (/var/log/messages) which makes it hard to recognize important
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if I'm missing something, but what does what you're suggesting
> > > > > have to do with journald ?
> > > >
> > > > whatever you blow to journald ends in /var/log/messages when rsyslog is
> > > > running until there are rules to put it in specific logfiles - that's it
> > >
> > > both system *and* user journal entries land in /var/log/messages ?  If
> > > so, that's interesting... and a bit unfortunate.
> >
> > how should rsyslog distinct between them?
> >
> > you already get /var/log/messages flooded with "kscreen" messages wehn
> > login via "sddm" to a kde-session as example
>
> A fair critcism, but I still think this needs to be finer-grained, and it is
> not generally appropriate to do at the toolkit (Qt) level, ie, I would
> disagree that Qt-related logging should go into a separate/segregated log

i have no solution except "don't log irrelevant things until some deug 
mode is enabled" to not make sysadmins blind when the whole global log 
is cluttered with all sort of normal operations garbage instead things 
you need to watch for

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