Re: kate: X11 Forwarding on F22

[Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Am 12.09.2015 um 22:51 schrieb Orion Poplawski:
> On 09/12/2015 10:00 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > kate (in f22) doesn't depend on kde-runtime or kdelibs
> >
> > that list is ... inaccurate.
> >
> > -- Rex
>
> from a clean f22 mock chroot - install kate vs. code-editor

thanks for that showing what i mean with bloatware dependencies which is 
clearly the result of wrapping abstraction over abstraction over 
abstraction with each layer introducing dependency chains

the result is nobody knows really the whole chain nor the real reason if 
any exists ending in installing a tiny application requires space and 
code not so long ago a complete operating system inlcuding applications 
needed and then we end in 1000 times fast machines in the real life 
slower or equal

until today i wait for the speed improvements advertised for KDE4/QT4 
years ago......

> $ diff rpms.code-editor rpms.kate
> 3a4
>  > avahi-libs-0.6.31-32.fc22.x86_64
> 7c8
> < botan-1.10.9-4.fc22.x86_64
> ---
>  > breeze-icon-theme-5.3.2-1.fc22.noarch
> 10a12,13
>  > cairo-1.14.2-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > cdparanoia-libs-10.2-18.fc22.x86_64
> 12,13d14
> < clucene09-core-0.9.21b-13.fc22.x86_64
> < code-editor-2.8.1-8.fc22.x86_64
> 20a22
>  > cups-libs-2.0.3-1.fc22.x86_64
> 25c27
> < desktop-file-utils-0.22-3.fc22.x86_64
> ---
>  > dbusmenu-qt5-0.9.3-0.10.20150604.fc22.x86_64
> 34d35
> < emacs-filesystem-24.5-2.fc22.noarch
> 41a43
>  > flac-libs-1.3.1-5.fc22.x86_64
> 50a53
>  > gdk-pixbuf2-2.31.6-1.fc22.x86_64
> 56a60,61
>  > glib-networking-2.44.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > glx-utils-8.2.0-2.fc22.x86_64
> 59a65
>  > gnutls-3.3.17-1.fc22.x86_64
> 61a68
>  > graphite2-1.2.4-3.fc22.x86_64
> 63a71,75
>  > gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.16.1-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > gsm-1.0.13-12.fc22.x86_64
>  > gstreamer1-1.4.5-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.4.5-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.4.5-3.fc22.x86_64
> 66c78,81
> < hicolor-icon-theme-0.15-1.fc22.noarch
> ---
>  > harfbuzz-0.9.40-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > http-parser-2.0-7.20121128gitcd01361.fc22.x86_64
>  > hunspell-1.3.3-4.fc22.x86_64
>  > hunspell-en-US-0.20140811.1-1.fc22.noarch
> 70a86,87
>  > iso-codes-3.57-1.fc22.noarch
>  > jasper-libs-1.900.1-30.fc22.x86_64
> 71a89,92
>  > json-c-0.12-5.fc22.x86_64
>  > kate-15.04.3-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kde-filesystem-4-51.fc22.x86_64
>  > kde-settings-22-11.fc22.noarch
> 73a95,135
>  > kf5-attica-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-filesystem-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-karchive-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kauth-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kbookmarks-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kcodecs-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kcompletion-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kconfig-core-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kconfig-gui-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kconfigwidgets-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kcoreaddons-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kcrash-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kdbusaddons-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kglobalaccel-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kglobalaccel-libs-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kguiaddons-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-ki18n-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kiconthemes-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kinit-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-core-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-core-libs-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-file-widgets-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-ntlm-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-widgets-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kio-widgets-libs-5.13.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kitemviews-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kjobwidgets-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-knotifications-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kparts-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kservice-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-ktexteditor-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-ktextwidgets-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kwallet-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kwallet-libs-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kwidgetsaddons-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kwindowsystem-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-kxmlgui-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-solid-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-solid-libs-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-sonnet-core-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > kf5-sonnet-ui-5.13.0-1.fc22.x86_64
> 77d138
> < lcms2-2.7-1.fc22.x86_64
> 80a142
>  > libasyncns-0.8-8.fc22.x86_64
> 82a145
>  > libavc1394-0.5.3-16.fc22.x86_64
> 88a152
>  > libdatrie-0.2.8-5.fc22.x86_64
> 91a156,157
>  > libdv-1.0.0-19.fc22.x86_64
>  > libevdev-1.4.4-1.fc22.x86_64
> 95a162
>  > libgit2-0.22.3-1.fc22.x86_64
> 98a166
>  > libicu-54.1-1.fc22.x86_64
> 99a168,169
>  > libiec61883-1.2.0-12.fc22.x86_64
>  > libinput-0.21.0-3.fc22.x86_64
> 103d172
> < libmng-2.0.3-1.fc22.x86_64
> 104a174
>  > libmodman-2.0.1-9.fc22.x86_64
> 108a179
>  > libogg-1.3.2-2.fc22.x86_64
> 110a182
>  > libproxy-0.4.11-10.fc22.x86_64
> 111a184
>  > libraw1394-2.1.0-4.fc22.x86_64
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>  > libshout-2.2.2-12.fc22.x86_64
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>  > libsndfile-1.0.25-14.fc22.x86_64
>  > libsoup-2.50.0-1.fc22.x86_64
> 121a198,199
>  > libthai-0.1.21-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > libtheora-1.1.1-12.fc22.x86_64
> 127a206
>  > libv4l-1.6.2-1.fc22.x86_64
> 128a208,212
>  > libvisual-0.4.0-17.fc22.x86_64
>  > libvorbis-1.3.4-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > libvpx-1.3.0-6.fc22.x86_64
>  > libwayland-client-1.7.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > libwayland-server-1.7.0-1.fc22.x86_64
> 133d216
> < libXcursor-1.1.14-4.fc22.x86_64
> 136a220
>  > libXft-2.3.2-2.fc22.x86_64
> 138d221
> < libXinerama-1.1.3-4.fc22.x86_64
> 139a223
>  > libxkbcommon-x11-0.5.0-1.fc22.x86_64
> 141d224
> < libXrandr-1.4.2-2.fc22.x86_64
> 143a227,229
>  > libxslt-1.1.28-8.fc22.x86_64
>  > libXtst-1.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
>  > libXv-1.0.10-2.fc22.x86_64
> 147a234,236
>  > media-player-info-21-1.fc22.noarch
>  > mesa-libEGL-10.6.3-1.20150729.fc22.x86_64
>  > mesa-libgbm-10.6.3-1.20150729.fc22.x86_64
> 149a239
>  > mozjs17-17.0.0-12.fc22.x86_64
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>  > orc-0.4.22-3.fc22.x86_64
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>  > pango-1.36.8-6.fc22.x86_64
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>  > phonon-qt5-4.8.3-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > phonon-qt5-backend-gstreamer-4.8.2-3.fc22.x86_64
> 201a298
>  > pixman-0.32.6-4.fc22.x86_64
> 202a300,303
>  > polkit-0.113-4.fc22.x86_64
>  > polkit-libs-0.113-4.fc22.x86_64
>  > polkit-pkla-compat-0.1-5.fc22.x86_64
>  > polkit-qt5-1-0.112.0-3.fc22.x86_64
> 203a305,306
>  > pulseaudio-libs-6.0-8.fc22.x86_64
>  > pulseaudio-libs-glib2-6.0-8.fc22.x86_64
> 209,211c312,321
> < qt-4.8.6-30.fc22.x86_64
> < qt-common-4.8.6-30.fc22.noarch
> < qtlockedfile-2.4-18.20150629git5a07df5.fc22.x86_64
> ---
>  > qt5-qtbase-5.5.0-15.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtbase-common-5.5.0-15.fc22.noarch
>  > qt5-qtbase-gui-5.5.0-15.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtdeclarative-5.5.0-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtscript-5.5.0-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtsvg-5.5.0-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qttools-common-5.5.0-4.fc22.noarch
>  > qt5-qttools-libs-designer-5.5.0-4.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtx11extras-5.5.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > qt5-qtxmlpatterns-5.5.0-3.fc22.x86_64
> 213,214d322
> < qtsingleapplication-2.6.1-23.fc22.x86_64
> < qt-x11-4.8.6-30.fc22.x86_64
> 225a334
>  > speex-1.2-0.23.rc2.fc22.x86_64
> 228a338
>  > taglib-1.9.1-7.fc22.x86_64
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>  > tcp_wrappers-libs-7.6-80.fc22.x86_64
>  > trousers-0.3.13-3.fc22.x86_64
> 233a346
>  > wavpack-4.70.0-3.fc22.x86_64
> 235c348,353
> < xdg-utils-1.1.0-0.39.rc3.fc22.noarch
> ---
>  > xcb-util-0.4.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > xcb-util-image-0.4.0-2.fc22.x86_64
>  > xcb-util-keysyms-0.4.0-1.fc22.x86_64
>  > xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.9-3.fc22.x86_64
>  > xcb-util-wm-0.4.1-5.fc22.x86_64
>  > xdg-user-dirs-0.15-4.fc22.x86_64
> 236a355
>  > xml-common-0.6.3-42.fc22.noarch

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