On 07/05/15 22:06, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 07/05/2015 01:29 AM, Felix Miata wrote: >> For those who need to get work done in "KDE", whatever that means any more, >> there are options: > What it means is the current version, as everything else is subject to > bit rot. If you're going to jump ship, consider this: > > http://mate-desktop.org/ > > Enable Compiz and you have a winner. > First of all, I fully understand where Eli and Reindl are coming from. This switch from KDE4--->KDE5 is just as painful, if not more so, as the switch from KDE3--->KDE4. One would have thought/hoped that a lesson was learned, but it hasn't. I'm not about to jump ship, however. I have a few systems and will retain KDE4 on some but will use KDE5 as much as possible and file BZ as needed. I must say the stability of plasma-shell has improved for me in the past week. So, that is one bright spot. In closing. I don't recall her name, but I do remember a Fedora person warning of scaring away new users with "rants" in mailing list (I'm not saying anyone is ranting). So I can't but think we should be careful not to hijack a "newbie question" to vent our frustrations with the current situation. -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZArl8fTfub4 _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org