I'm just wondering if the concept of using "virtual desktops" is being phased out in KDE. The reason I ask/wonder is that with F16 when one brings up KDE the "pager" widget is not visible on the default panel. A little poking around reveals you have to increase the number of "virtual desktops" to be more than the default of 1 in "system settings", "workspace behavior". So, under the current default configuration a person new to KDE may not have a clue that an option exists for "virtual desktops". It even took me a bit of time to realize what was happening. In F15 the default number of "virtual desktops" was set to 4. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in "Mostly Harmless _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org