Here's is the biggest obstacle to a good user experience. Stop trying to integrate or force integration of everything into everything. I've recently run into a nasty experience with wine and pulseaudio. Where at least with one application under wine if pulse is installed networking doesn't work and the application freezes. On top of it all the application freezes. And there is of yet, still no official support for pulse under wine. Why should a soundserver interfere with networking? One of thing us old redhat / kde users are very well aware of is that if you try to get one environment to work like another or use resources from another then everything becomes disfunctional. Let gnome behave like gnome, kde like kde, wine like wine etc. Right now the defacto standard Linux soundserver is alsa. If alsa is installed, then that should be enough. Please lets do what we can to not go the Redhat 8 route again. Please. It just doesn't work in Linux. Linux is not Windows Thanks for Listening :) Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.