On Wednesday 28 January 2009 20:16:15 Rex Dieter wrote: > Eli Wapniarski wrote: > But I do think that Fedora > > > stable releases should make a rule that core backends always be marked as > > stable by the developers before they are released as stable in Fedora. > > Not Beta, Alpha, or RC. > > Agreed, so what's your definition of "core backends", and does it > include any or all of glibc, rpm/yum, X, gtk, qt, kde, dbus/hal, > NetworkManager, or more? > OK... I'll guess I'll take a stab at this. For the following I should add a caveat of reasonableness. The following should always be stable unless some real nasty springs up and the only way to fix it is by incorporating something less stable. But only as a very last resort. 1) glibc and kernel (I know... I've never seen unstable kernel released in Fedora). 2) Network Manager and dbus/hal 3) XWindows 4) Anything releated to package management. If for any reason that breaks boy are we in trouble. 5) All Mail Servers, Database Servers, Web Servers, DNS Servers. Authentication Services, etc. I think the current model regarding things like qt/kde, gtk/gnome etc is just fine. Despite everything that is being discussed here we ussers and you packagers need to trust the good faith of developers enough that when they say stable they mean it. But, it would be good if major changes to complex software like the change between KDE 3.5 and 4.0 have some way to get roled back. Of course -- if the resources are there. If not well then we are the brave we are the foolish we are Fedora users :). I guess we'll just have jump in with both feet and do what we do so well. Provide polite and persistent feedback in order to assist in getting the problems solved and the packages improved. All that being said, I still think every effort should be made to initially release stable versions. updates-testing is a great place to get Beta's and RC's if required to get fixes to real nasties that come up in the case of overlooked bugs or regressions. Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.