> I think it's safe to say from the comments on Aaron's blog that we > (Fedora-KDE) are completely to blame for this. > > I still love you guys, feel free to say that it was my fault. > Look. It comes down to this. People who use KDE on Fedora are going to be disgruntled with Fedora and KDE. One by releasing 4 when they did and calling it Final was somewhat misleading. Though they did state somewhere that this was a development release it should have been called something other than final. And at 4.2 it really still isn't final. There is still some polishing to do and quite frankly if the Desktop isn't feature complete by 4.3 I also will be revisiting Gnome. To many core things are either disfunctional or broken and I don't have the time for it. Why is Fedora partially to blame. It has been plagued with, IMHO, with a bad case of jump on the "latest must be greatest" bandwagon and releasing as final, software that is clearly not ready for prime time. The latest round of this started with Fedora 9 and Xorg 1.5 BETA. KDE 4. And this group think problem has on and off plagued Redhat releases since version 8. If the software isn't ready then it isn't ready. Fedora should be bleeding edge. But it should be bleeding edge stable. The final release should not be "OK, its close, let our users complain...and then we'll fix any other problem that might come up. The beauty of Fedora and Open Source is that it isn't beholding to any stock holders and deadlines can be broken if the milestones aren't reached. Strong appeals can be made to the user base if assistance is required in QA, if they have the resources in computers and time. But us users shouldn't be treated as sheep. You might find some of them are wolves in disguise. Maybe with a Development Version for extra early adopters. But it should clearly be marked as Development. Even developers use their computers. Unless they're using their computers to develop for Fedora. If they develop things like kernels then they need a stable environment from where to build things. I mean really common guys RPM RC releases as final in Fedora 10. Sorta makes you think... Doesn't it. Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.