Re: DKIM & fedora lists

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On Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 06:13:14PM +0100, Dominique Martinet wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just enabled dkim/dmarc on my domain last week, so sent my first email
> with that setup to devel@ just earlier today and got a few "invalid dkim
> signature" return emails...
> 
> 
> So I was wondering how do people deal with that?
> 
> Normally lists have two ways of handling dkim:
>  - either they don't mangle the subject/signed headers (for me:
> h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From).
> In that case, just leave the original dkim header and things should just
> work™.
> That's what e.g. kernel lists do and worked well for me.
> 
>  - either they DO mangle headers, often adding a [tag] to the subject
> line; in which case the From is also updated to be the list address with
> the original sender name (e.g. Bob <whateverlist@somewhere>) and the
> original mail is eventually appended to the Reply-To addresses, with the
> original dkim header stripped off.

Or add a footer, or handle mime attachments in different ways or ... any
number of things.

> As far as I can see devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx doesn't mangle
> anything so should fall into the first category of "doing nothing just
> works" -- but it stripped my original dkim header, hence the failures.

It does. It adds a footer. 

> I'm pretty sure mailman can deal with this, is that on purpose? Or is it
> just a mishap?
> my dmarc policy says to ignore dkim failures (for now) so I could just
> ignore this but it's a bit annoying that I had setup dmarc/dkim because
> my mails often get treated as spam for some reason and such errors won't
> be helping...

Mailman can detect if someone has set dmarc to reject and if so, change
the from address to be the address from the list. This is a per list
setting. I think I reluctantly enabled it on devel and users, I am not
sure what other lists enable it. 

It should have worked for you, I am not sure why not... 

IMHO, setting dmarc to reject is a really bad idea if you send any
emails from your domain that go to lists. 

kevin

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