Re: Cert penning, Certs and related

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:16:23 -0400
Colin Walters <walters@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 01:04 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 16:57:25 +0000
> > Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > ...snip...
> >   
> > > As far as I know, yum/dnf supports setting a cafile for repos, so
> > > we can just update fedora-repos.  
> > 
> > That doesn't help. If we are using a well known cert, it's already
> > valid based on the system ca's, and IMHO it would be very poor to
> > use a self signed cert for this. So, either librepo carries a
> > static list for our base repos or we add support for HPKP.   
> 
> I would s/static list/custom root CA set/.
> 
> It's worth emphasizing that having a custom CA root set is
> a very standard thing to do - we're basically just doing
> exactly what ca-certificates does, just with a different
> configuration.
> 
> And it's supported today by both librepo and ostree, and many
> HTTP libraries in general.  And both of those code paths are used
> today for Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host, talking
> to the default Akamai CDN.
> 
> HPKP is (as far as I know) mostly a browser thing[1]; it isn't
> implemented by libcurl for example.  Though it does
> make sense for general outside-of-the-browser use cases,
> from an operating system perspective, we already have
> a mechanism to ship the configuration out-of-band to
> client systems by embedding it into the installation media
> and the update stream.  The same as we do for GPG.
> 
> Basically, I think it's easiest if we think of the keys/configuration
> for CA-pinning the same as GPG.

But does that not mean anyone going to the same place with a browser or
command line downloading specific packages will get a "sorry, this cert
is not trusted" ? Thats not such a big deal for ostree's, but for rpms,
people do this all the time. 

kevin

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