Re: Migration to HyperKitty / Mailman 3

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On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:07:59 +0100
Aurelien Bompard <abompard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > I know it's hard to estimate times, but perhaps we could look at
> > migrating all of lists.fedorahosted.org (aside the ones that use
> > filters and topics) first on the 16th, then start on the
> > lists.fedoraproject.org ones after that? Or keeping a status on the
> > wiki might be nice so people know where we are.  
> 
> Agreed, I'm starting this status page:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman3_Migration/Status

Sounds good. 

> > Is there any news on when the filters/topics support might appear?  
> 
> I don't know about topics, it was the subject of a GSoC project this
> year, and I need to as the team what they think of the result.
> About filters, I have writter the proper support in Mailman, it only
> needs to be intergrated in the web admin UI, Postorius. If the main
> migration goes well, the lists being blocked because of filters
> support shouldn't have to wait too long.

ok. It would be awesome if we could retire the old mailman2 stuff by
the end of the year. ;) 
 
> >> A link to HyperKitty will be included in the email footers when
> >> your list is migrated.  
> 
> That's actually not true, many lists have customized their footer and
> I'm not sure we want to edit that (which can be tricky because of
> character encoding) and add the HyperKitty link. It just seems rude
> :-)

Yeah, I am fine not messing with that. 
> 
> > We should add a status section on the wiki with lists migrated,
> > lists not yet migrated, lists waiting for features and perhaps lists
> > currently being migrated. Then people can just look there for
> > status.  
> 
> I'll keep that up-to-date on the Status page.

ok

> > Maybe we could point them to the staging instance so that can get
> > acquainted with the UI if they haven't seen it before?  
> 
> Hmm, I'm worried about people actually using it to send email, since
> it has a different underlying email configuration, the email may be
> lost.

True. 
 
> There's also another missing feature that was brought to my attention:
> some people were using Mailman 2.1's mbox archives in scripts to parse
> incoming patches, for example. While I have rewritten the "Export to
> mbox" feature, some lists in Mailman 2.1 were actually exporting the
> private archive, without any tinkering of the incoming email (no
> escaping of email addresses, etc). This is not recommended, and to be
> honest I didn't know Mailman 2.1 actually offered this feature. The
> only example I was given was on a redhat.com mailing list:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/, and I haven't found a
> fedoraproject.org list with the same behavior, but I'll check that
> before migrating.

Huh. ok, weird... I didn't know people were doing this either. 
 
> Should we send the announcement now? Which list(s) do you think would
> be appropriate?

Id say: 

announce
devel-announce
hosted-announce

kevin

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