============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-08-22) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:08 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-08-22/infrastructure.2013-08-22-19.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:08) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:53) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:05) * LINK: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/files/head:/libravatar/ (threebean, 19:18:08) * LINK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/view/head:/INSTALL.md (nirik, 19:18:40) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:20:37) * apply updates next wed all around (stg first and test with rube) (nirik, 19:22:24) * rdiff backups are up and running. everything in backup_clients ansible group (nirik, 19:24:49) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5721 (we expose tags now? could we also expose icons and descriptions there? ) (nirik, 19:36:23) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:39:03) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:39:03) * Open Floor (nirik, 19:39:57) Meeting ended at 19:51:11 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (108) * threebean (53) * smooge (19) * lmacken (18) * frankieonuonga (17) * abadger1999 (10) * Xeladem (8) * besser82 (5) * zodbot (4) * oddshocks (4) * ianweller (1) * cyberworm541 (1) * puiterwijk (0) * mdomsch (0) * pingou (0) * relrod (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 19:00:08 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-08-22) 19:00:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:00:08 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:08 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:08 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:08 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:12 * lmacken 19:00:17 * threebean is here 19:00:22 * oddshocks present 19:01:28 <smooge> here 19:02:44 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started. 19:02:53 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 19:03:21 <nirik> any new folks or apprentices with questions? 19:03:55 <frankieonuonga> hi guys. 19:03:58 <frankieonuonga> i am kind of new here 19:04:06 <frankieonuonga> i am i think now about two weeks old 19:04:24 <frankieonuonga> still trying to get cultured but nirik has been kind enough to show me around 19:04:41 <nirik> Happy to help out. 19:04:43 <threebean> hi frankieonuonga :) 19:04:51 <frankieonuonga> i do not know what you guys might want to know about me...but ask away and feel free to throw me some tasks to teach me something 19:04:55 <frankieonuonga> threebeen: hi 19:05:17 <Xeladem> Hi everyone,nice to meet you i am new too and hi frankie:) 19:05:28 * oddshocks waves 19:05:31 <nirik> welcome Xeladem 19:05:41 <nirik> Xeladem: are you more interested in sysadmin tasks or application development? 19:05:50 <Xeladem> both :p 19:05:58 * cyberworm541 is here 19:05:59 <nirik> cool. 19:06:18 <nirik> Xeladem: see me after the meeting in #fedora-admin or #fedora-apps and we can point you in the right direction 19:06:32 <Xeladem> Okay cool thx 19:06:34 <Xeladem> :D 19:06:52 <Xeladem> Sorry for my poor english ^^ 19:06:58 <nirik> excellent. well, do chime in with questions and comments anytime. 19:07:05 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:07:15 <nirik> any applications news/plans upcoming? 19:07:22 <nirik> badges continues to roll on. 19:08:06 <threebean> yeah, I gotta check on them now.. but I sent an email to the infra list asking for any help with code review on a few pull requests for that. 19:08:26 <nirik> abadger1999: we still waiting on a python-fedora with flask_fas_openid? 19:08:43 <threebean> I guess, if no one has time, I'd really like to merge them and get them out tomorrow. 19:08:57 <lmacken> threebean: I can have a look later this evening if no one gets to them first 19:09:08 <threebean> lmacken: thanks :) 19:09:20 <nirik> I need to ping abompard and see about moving hyperkitty along. 19:09:28 <abadger1999> Hmm.. 19:09:29 <lmacken> threebean: when is the supybot sparklines getting deployed? ;) 19:09:44 <oddshocks> School starts up for me on Monday so I'll be giving my projects more love by then 19:09:44 <abadger1999> The new pythono-fedora isn't released upstream but we have fedora nad epel packages with the relevant backport. 19:10:00 <abadger1999> nirik: when we install that we need to be sure to take out the hotfix in puppet. 19:10:04 <abadger1999> it won't be compatible 19:10:06 <threebean> lmacken: I was going to leave that to ianweller to merge and deploy since its kind of his? 19:10:10 <nirik> abadger1999: right. 19:10:46 <threebean> oddshocks: cool; welcome back :) 19:11:20 <nirik> any other applications updates landing soon? 19:11:27 <threebean> hm, two things: 19:11:57 <threebean> 1) fun stuff -- libravatar trac integration got accepted upstream. there's an epel-testing rpm on the way. 19:12:05 <threebean> so, we can get that in for testing soon. 19:12:11 <nirik> I was thinking of just landing that today or tomorrow... 19:12:20 <nirik> get it done. 19:12:20 <threebean> +1 19:12:38 <threebean> 2) not fun stuff -- there's a python-requests/python-urllib3 update on the way 19:12:45 <threebean> historically, that has caused pain for python-fedora :( 19:12:47 <lmacken> oh boy 19:12:59 <lmacken> I really wish python-urllib3 didn't log.info for each connection :\ 19:13:05 <nirik> Question: should we at some point look at running a libravatar instance? (not sure whats involved, but would be a nice way to give back to them and help spread use) 19:13:24 <nirik> threebean: :( yeah, we should update stg and test as much as we can first. 19:13:33 * threebean nods 19:13:50 <threebean> yeah. its mostly python3 fixes, so its only relevant for fedora, not epel. 19:14:03 <threebean> but I'll leave them in updates-testing for an eon to make sure. 19:14:08 <lmacken> I'd rather hit bugs with that stack now, prior to it getting merged into stdlib ;P 19:14:18 * threebean facepalms 19:14:27 <abadger1999> lmacken: nah -- the stdlib will only get the api right? none of the code? 19:14:46 <abadger1999> that's what was discussed at the python language summit 19:15:00 <lmacken> abadger1999: not sure… I really hope they don't drag the code along with the API 19:15:31 <ianweller> threebean: really anybody can merge stuff for supybot-fedora, i'll see it eventually when i make the release tarball :) 19:15:53 <abadger1999> lmacken: lang summit was a long time ago now but it sounded like guido didn't like kenneth reitz implementation. and he wanted to try reimplementing it on top of his own async stack 9tulip) 19:16:06 <lmacken> abadger1999: ah, yeah tulip-based would be great. 19:16:12 <lmacken> ianweller: plz2merge sparklines ;) 19:16:19 * lmacken wants .quotes 19:16:21 <threebean> nirik: w.r.t. running our own libravatar, I would love for us to. Its just a question of who's stoked about it and has the extra time to do it and maintain it. ;) 19:16:24 * threebean wants .badges too :) 19:16:36 <nirik> threebean: yeah, I can add it to my list to look at someday. 19:16:52 <nirik> it may not be too hard. 19:16:58 <threebean> cool :) 19:17:00 <lmacken> php stack?///////// 19:17:10 <threebean> oh boy! 19:17:15 <nirik> it is? bleh 19:17:20 <lmacken> i don't know, I'm asking ;) 19:17:31 <lmacken> guessing, rather 19:17:46 <lmacken> ruby 19:17:58 <lmacken> oh, I'm looking at the wrong repo I think 19:18:08 <threebean> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/files/head:/libravatar/ 19:18:10 <threebean> python :) 19:18:26 <nirik> Django 19:18:31 <lmacken> awesome, a launchpad site that points to a gitorious repo 19:18:40 <nirik> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libravatar/libravatar/trunk/view/head:/INSTALL.md 19:18:44 <threebean> djamn! 19:19:05 <nirik> heh 19:19:21 <nirik> anyhow, just a random thought, not a priority 19:19:27 <nirik> any other application side news? 19:19:57 <oddshocks> djamn++ 19:20:06 <lmacken> nothing exciting... going to do a bodhi1 bugfix release before I move next week 19:20:11 <lmacken> then I'll be off the grid for the first week of sept 19:20:29 <nirik> cool. ;) 19:20:37 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:20:44 <nirik> lets see... on the sysadmin side... 19:20:57 <nirik> I think I want to do a roll up on updates next week before we head into alpha freeze. 19:21:05 <nirik> so far nothing needs reboot, just apply updates. 19:21:15 <threebean> cool :) 19:21:28 <threebean> may I suggest -> we update stg, do a rube run, then update prod? 19:21:38 <nirik> yep. Sounds great. 19:21:49 <nirik> probibly wed next week... 19:22:24 <nirik> #info apply updates next wed all around (stg first and test with rube) 19:22:52 <nirik> I've finished setting up rdiff-backups for us. :) It's on backup03 and sysadmin-main has access to them. 19:23:13 <nirik> It's backing up everything in the backup_clients ansible group 19:23:27 <nirik> if anyone can think of a machine not in there that has data we should backup, please let me know. 19:24:20 <nirik> It's been taking about 6hours to do all them in a mostly serial way. I might look at making it async to finish faster, but 6 hours isn't too bad. 19:24:45 <smooge> especially since it is competing with bacula at the same time 19:24:49 <nirik> #info rdiff backups are up and running. everything in backup_clients ansible group 19:25:15 <nirik> yeah, if things look good after another week or two, I am thinking of killing bacula and replacing it with a simple job that spools all the rdiff-backup ones to tape 19:25:24 <smooge> yay 19:25:35 <nirik> then we can not run bacula-client on all our machines. 19:26:12 <nirik> and speaking of running on all our machines... 19:26:21 <nirik> we have just 2 scripts running in cron that need func. 19:26:28 <threebean> ah, right 19:26:32 <nirik> if someone is interested in porting them to ansible, let me know. 19:26:39 <threebean> that's in cron on lockbox? 19:26:52 <nirik> yeah, they are puppet reporting scripts actually: 19:26:54 <nirik> ./modules/puppet/files/check_puppet_run.py 19:26:55 <nirik> ./modules/puppet/files/make_puppet_reports.py 19:27:01 <threebean> cool 19:27:05 <threebean> no promises here ;p 19:27:18 <nirik> once those are moved, we can not run funcd on all our machines. ;) 19:27:43 <nirik> lets see... 19:27:48 <threebean> lots of other ansible little ansible things made progress 19:27:53 <nirik> smooge: anything I am forgetting? oh... ssl certs... 19:28:00 <threebean> abadger1999: made some progress on the new hosts sop 19:28:09 <smooge> should have ssl done later today. 19:28:12 <nirik> yeah, kudos to misc for helping moving things to roles. I hope to do more too. 19:28:31 <smooge> I am trying to figure out what packages is using all the disk space.. but that is also requiring me to figure out where stuff is stuck on the system 19:28:31 <nirik> smooge: those were *.stg and *.id ? 19:28:35 <smooge> yes sir 19:28:40 <nirik> cool. 19:29:15 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin side news? 19:29:15 <threebean> smooge: hm, have you checked in /var/cache/fedoracommunity ? 19:29:16 <abadger1999> threebean: aww -- I thought you were telling me you made some progress on that :-) 19:29:23 <threebean> abadger1999: sorry, no. ;) 19:29:28 <threebean> I was talking you up :) 19:29:35 <abadger1999> So yeah, the new-hosts sop is 1/3 to 1/2 done now. 19:30:00 <smooge> I am going trhough /srv/../git.fedoraproject.org at the meoment 19:30:01 <nirik> thanks for working on that abadger1999 19:30:11 <abadger1999> But there's some things about our ansilble vars orgnization that seems non-optimal so I have to clear up some time to look at that to document the next section. 19:30:34 <threebean> smooge: ah -- my bad. I think we're talking about different "packages". (I thought you were talking about the fedora-packages webapp) 19:30:35 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah, I think it's good to identify them and fix them now. Easier than it will be if we pile more on them. 19:30:52 <nirik> smooge: this is packages01.phx2 and packages02.phx2 right? 19:31:21 <nirik> packages01.phx2 != pkgs01 19:31:23 <smooge> nirik, yes packages01/02 19:31:49 <smooge> I did pkgs01 last night :). 19:32:12 <nirik> smooge: ok, looking in /var/cache/fedoracommunity/ might be good... but I'm not sure what can be pruned there off hand. 19:32:32 <threebean> huh.. I didn't even realize there was a /srv/glusterfs/packages/packages/git.fedoraproject.org/ on packages0{1,2} (just found it) 19:32:45 <nirik> thats the raw brick? 19:32:52 <nirik> you shouldn't touch it. 19:32:55 <smooge> well when I do a df it says its on the disk 19:32:59 * threebean steps away 19:33:00 <nirik> unless gluster is off. 19:33:03 <smooge> so I am confused 19:33:32 <smooge> ok so /srv/glusterfs is the brick 19:33:36 <smooge> and not the store 19:33:49 <nirik> gluster has a 'brick' that stores the files, and then it exposes them via nfs or fuse... you operate on the fuse/nfs mount so it can sync to all the indicated bricks 19:33:53 <smooge> I thought the raw brick was a large file I couldn't look at :) 19:34:00 <nirik> nope, it's a tree... 19:34:05 <smooge> ahhhhhh 19:34:11 <smooge> well then I am in the wrong place 19:34:12 <nirik> with some extra acls/metadata 19:34:25 <threebean> a brick-tree. 19:34:40 <nirik> I can poke it after the meeting too... not a big deal, just want it to stop alerting. ;) 19:35:24 <nirik> if needed we could likely increase the size of those instances... 19:35:40 <nirik> oh, that reminds me, I had a packages/tagger question... 19:36:23 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5721 (we expose tags now? could we also expose icons and descriptions there? ) 19:36:50 <threebean> hm. 19:37:03 <nirik> because doing a script on compose seems horrible to me. 19:37:09 <threebean> they are... already exposed through the fedora-packages api? 19:37:18 <threebean> python-pkgwat-api has code to query for them. 19:37:25 <nirik> so, hurray? :) 19:37:38 <threebean> :) 19:38:00 <nirik> dunno about localized descriptions or even where those would be. 19:38:08 <threebean> oof.. yeah. 19:38:29 <nirik> so, if you could reply on ticket perhaps we could sort it, or catch him on irc. 19:38:33 * threebean nods 19:38:35 <threebean> will 19:38:40 <threebean> will see if it'll do what he needs. 19:38:41 <nirik> thanks mucho 19:38:49 <nirik> it seems like it might 19:39:03 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:39:03 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:39:11 <nirik> I updated our calendar with freezes and such 19:39:18 <nirik> anything else folks want to schedule or note? 19:39:57 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:40:04 <nirik> any items for open floor? 19:40:36 <besser82> the fedorabugs-sponsors thing from yesterday's FESCo-meeting, I think :) 19:40:50 <frankieonuonga> just one thing...and I am not sure if i should even ask this..but the dev environ..that is the git used here..is there a guide on how to get on. 19:40:54 <frankieonuonga> sorry if this is silly 19:40:56 <nirik> oh yeah, I was meaning to reply to that on besser82 19:41:16 <nirik> besser82: so, is the main issue that it can be slow? 19:41:24 <nirik> frankieonuonga: not silly at all. 19:41:33 <nirik> anyone have a good getting started with git guide? 19:41:54 <frankieonuonga> like i can use git pretty well...but i dont know where this is for you guys 19:42:03 <frankieonuonga> like where exactly you store the code 19:42:23 <frankieonuonga> in terms of maybe githib.com or girorious...something like that and how to plug to that 19:42:24 <nirik> frankieonuonga: well, for puppet and ansible and infra-docs, etc... it's all git repos on lockbox01. 19:42:42 <nirik> for many of our applications it is github/fedora-infra/ 19:42:43 <besser82> nirik: the main issue here 1) it is slow (sometimes) 2) fedorabugs-group is abused 19:42:48 <frankieonuonga> nirik: you have lost me just a little. 19:43:00 <frankieonuonga> oh ok ok . 19:43:02 <frankieonuonga> got it. 19:43:27 <nirik> besser82: yeah, looks like tickets go direct to tibbs. We could change that to a pool of people. as for fedorabugs, yeah, but is it really worth making a new group just for that? 19:43:31 <threebean> frankieonuonga: if you have any questions about the stuff on github.com/fedora-infra.. the best place to ask is probably #fedora-apps, btw. 19:43:53 <frankieonuonga> i see...ok. 19:43:59 <frankieonuonga> thanks threebean 19:44:05 <besser82> nirik: no need for a new group if all of you are fine with usung fedorabugs :) 19:44:24 <nirik> besser82: the nice thing about fedorabugs is... when someone gets added to packager, they get added to fedorabugs anyhow. 19:44:33 <nirik> so, there's nothing to clean up. ;) 19:44:42 <threebean> frankieonuonga: one more link that might be of help -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AppBestPractices 19:44:46 <besser82> nirik: makes sense :) 19:44:54 <threebean> frankieonuonga: its a collection of notes on development practices 19:45:06 <Xeladem> nice :) 19:45:11 <nirik> besser82: anyhow, we can look at fixing it up out of meeting. ;) 19:45:11 <Xeladem> thk 19:45:13 <Xeladem> thx 19:45:45 <besser82> nirik: the pool of people thing... Limited to who / how much? / kk, will you ping me then? 19:46:14 <nirik> besser82: sure, I can... and if I don't you can ping me. ;) Well, we could just make it 'fedorabugs-sponsor-members' for everyone who can sponsor in fedorabugs. ;) 19:47:05 <nirik> any other comments, questions, suggestions? 19:47:22 <threebean> oh, so.. my family is having another baby ;) due date is sept 27 -- This means I'll probably be.. scarce around then. :) 19:48:01 <nirik> congrats! 19:48:05 <threebean> thanks! 19:48:49 <nirik> Oh, I am also planning on being out toward the beginning of october. 19:49:03 <nirik> a week and a few days probibly. 19:49:28 <threebean> cool, cool. 19:49:55 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing else will close out in a min. 19:50:00 <smooge> oh going to Las Cruces? 19:50:07 <frankieonuonga> thanks threebean 19:50:18 <nirik> smooge: nope... fish camp, ca... outside of yosimite. ;) 19:50:26 <smooge> oh even better. No internet 19:50:33 <nirik> yeah, hiking and redwoods. 19:50:43 <smooge> say hi to Sam for me. And remember it is duck season. 19:51:03 <nirik> :) 19:51:09 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 19:51:11 <nirik> #endmeeting
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