On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:57, inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Outsourcing services can be attractive in ways, but there is often a >> cost paid by the user in the end. It seems to normally be a win from >> the perspective of the outsourcer but not such a win from the >> perspective of those who get passed off to be someone else's problem. >> >> Sorry to vent a little about this here but I really think blogs.fp.o >> has more value than it is being given credit for and I'm sad to see it >> being retired. (And I accept that even if it was given the credit I >> think it deserves the decision to retire it would probably not >> change.) > > The problem with venting at the last minute is it just seems to start > a long venting return. I didn't wake up 6 months ago and say "Hey lets > see how I can screw with contributors because they really need an > enema." I looked over the facts and realized that while we had some > users of the service we had few long term users. Those who had opened > blogs but never posted had said they went to a better hosted blog with > more of their friends on it. We also had done crap for security > updates and chosen a branch of code that was deader than Hoffa. The > only thing that has kept it clean has been a lot of heroics from Ricky > Zhou patching stuff and finding crap at 2am in the morning because > someone said "hey you got a spammer on deadblog43". > > In the end, this was not a foregone conclusion. I laid out what was > needed to get this going again. > 1) No last minute heroics. > 2) More than 1 person running it, conversant in it, etc. > 3) A laid out plan of what was going to be the sucessor, who was going > to support it, how they were going to train others, etc > > This was said on multiple lists about 6 months ago in order to avoid a > last minute "Ooooh Fedora screws contributors again." emails and week > long heroics to keep it up again. If you and/or others have a problem > with my decision from then, y'all have had multiple months to work on > 2 and 3 because 1 is non-optional. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." > Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. > "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard > battle." -- Ian MacLaren I didn't mean to start anything - just offered to help if I could :-) I *will* try to attend the IRC meeting tomorrow at Kevin's invitiation! jayson _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
