16:04 < dgilmore> Hey all Infra Meeting 16:04 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Infrastructure meeting 16:05 -!- jfluhmann [n=jfluhman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:05 < dgilmore> ping ricky, skvidal, f13, Wakko666, jima, iWolf, anyone else i forgot 16:05 < skvidal> pong 16:05 * iWolf is here 16:05 < gkrpan> <- here 16:05 * Wakko666 waves. 16:06 < dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority 16:06 < dgilmore> meeting items 16:06 < dgilmore> .ticket 395 16:06 < zodbot> dgilmore: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395 16:07 < dgilmore> jcollie: how much work do you think is involved here? 16:07 < jcollie> hmm 16:07 < dgilmore> its not something thats critical to get done 16:07 < jcollie> once we get FAS2/Asterisk integrated, then we need to get a bot set up to control things 16:07 < dgilmore> but something we need to keep in mind 16:08 * f13 16:08 * mdomsch is here 16:08 -!- rharrison [n=rharriso@nat/cisco/x-c2500f1acaecb55c] has left #fedora-meeting ["Leaving"] 16:08 < jcollie> maybe 10-16 hours of someone's time... dunno... i'm not good at estimating that 16:08 < dgilmore> if anyone wants to help this would be a nice place to do some things 16:09 < dgilmore> jcollie: we are thinking of a module for SupyBot allowing people to book and control rooms right? 16:09 < jcollie> yes 16:09 < jcollie> i've got a prototype started 16:09 < dgilmore> so it would intrface with asterisks manager api 16:09 < dgilmore> :) 16:09 < jcollie> yes 16:10 < jcollie> it's called ursabot but it doesn't join any channels yet 16:10 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@adsl-69-214-168-157.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:10 < dgilmore> :) 16:10 < jcollie> the code is in my asterisk1 home dir if anyone wants to take a look 16:10 < dgilmore> i might try poke at it 16:10 < dgilmore> so lets move on 16:11 < dgilmore> .ticket 398 16:11 < zodbot> dgilmore: #398 (elfutils `monotone' (mtn) error) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/398 16:11 < dgilmore> so what to do here 16:11 -!- stickster_mtg is now known as stickster 16:11 < jcollie> i say we block any new monotone repos until the anonymous access issues get sorted out upstream 16:12 < jcollie> for now you can rsync the elfutils repo anonymously iirc 16:12 < f13> jcollie: do e really have other monotone users? 16:12 < jcollie> f13: not that i know of 16:12 < jcollie> so it may never become an issue 16:13 * jfluhmann is here 16:13 < f13> yeah 16:13 < f13> I don't expect them to be knocking down our door 16:13 < dgilmore> we probably should have insisted roland changed RCS 16:14 < dgilmore> but anyway not much eles here for now 16:14 < dgilmore> .ticket 446 16:14 < zodbot> dgilmore: #446 (Possibility to add external links on spins page) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/446 16:14 < dgilmore> no one owns this 16:15 < dgilmore> im somewhat against it 16:15 < dgilmore> but then again i also told mether that he should find local hosting for localised spins 16:15 < mether> unfortunately that is easier said that done 16:16 < dgilmore> I can see the want to put localised spins links somewhere 16:16 < iWolf> the concern is that we can't be certain of the validity of the spins if we post external links? i.e. it falls outside our circle of trust? 16:16 * jwb perks up 16:17 < dgilmore> but perhaps we could link to a wiki page that has all the laocalised torrents on it 16:17 < jwb> if something changes with the localized spins please let me know 16:17 < dgilmore> iWolf: somewhat yes 16:17 < dgilmore> jwb: in what way? 16:17 < jwb> as in, if they are going to get hosted at spins.fp.o 16:17 < Wakko666> i seem to remember mmcgrath mentioning the need for board involvement on this. i don't remember the details, though. 16:17 < jwb> i'm not producing anymore localized spins at the moment 16:18 < dgilmore> jwb: why not 16:18 < dgilmore> i thought we were hosting some 16:18 < mdomsch> +1 to wiki page listing them 16:18 < dgilmore> fedora-fr.org has a french spin they are self hosting 16:18 < jwb> we have 1 hosted now. that was before the spins issue was brought up to the board 16:19 < jwb> yes, i know 16:19 < mdomsch> +1 to spins.fp.o linking to the wiki page 16:19 < dgilmore> mdomsch: I think that should be ok 16:19 -!- abadger1999 [n=abadger1@conference/pycon/x-7bf2f16291e110e7] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:19 -!- jmn [n=jmn@nat/redhat/x-ca09133ba144853c] has quit "Leaving." 16:20 < dgilmore> mdomsch: then we have have a disclaimer that the spinds are generated by local community people 16:20 < mdomsch> yep 16:20 < jwb> dgilmore, essentially we need agreement from Infrastructure, Rel-Eng, and the Board on how to handle spins before it's really going to go further 16:20 < jwb> spins hosted on spins.fp.o that is 16:20 < dgilmore> jwb: fair enough 16:20 < dgilmore> ok not much else here 16:20 < dgilmore> we have the three meeting items 16:20 < dgilmore> so Floor open 16:21 < f13> I wanted ot bring some thing up 16:21 < dgilmore> f13: shoot 16:21 < f13> I want to make infrastructure aware that I'm preparing a FESCo proposal on bringin the Jpackage team into our infrastructure, a la OLPC 16:21 < jcollie> that'd be cool 16:21 < f13> they have a need for good infrastructure, and we have a need for a closer and easier relationship with jpackage. 16:22 < f13> bringing them into our infrastructure accomlishes both of these needs, and opens up the door to many other benifits 16:22 < jcollie> would they still be able to do the nosrc rpms of the non-free bits? 16:22 < dgilmore> f13: i think its a great thing 16:23 < jwb> doesn't jpackage do non-free stuff? 16:23 < dgilmore> f13: however we really need that blade center installed first i think 16:23 < f13> the need for nosrc stuff goes out the door with openjdk 16:23 < dgilmore> jcollie: they would have to go. or be done outside of fedora 16:23 < f13> and they wouldn't be allowed to bring it into our infrastrucutre, adn they know that 16:23 < jwb> who's going to sponsor them? 16:23 < f13> dgilmore: we may need a number of things first, and that will be accounted in my proposal. 16:24 < f13> we don't need to accomplish this tomorrow, it can be a gradual thing. 16:24 < jwb> sorry, that's a FESCo question i gues 16:24 < dgilmore> f13: also we need more disk for cvs-int 16:24 < jwb> s 16:24 < f13> jcollie: I want to mentor a few of jpackage folks and get them setup as sponsors 16:24 < dgilmore> f13: that seems sane 16:24 < f13> dgilmore: or we need to actually prune lookaside cache. 16:24 < dgilmore> f13: i think we have always said we cant do that 16:25 < f13> which I call BS on, but *shrug* 16:25 < jcollie> could we just move the lookaside cache to a separate system? 16:25 < f13> anywho, I just want to make you guys aware that this is coming so that you aren't blindsided 16:25 < dgilmore> f13: as long as well can still retrive the source. then i guess its ok 16:25 < f13> the proposal will have language in it that it predicates upon Infrastructure being able to fulfill the need 16:26 < f13> dgilmore: we only need the source for the things we are still offering binaries for. 16:26 < jwb> i'm still confused 16:27 < f13> we may even be able to get them to donate some time/money/material to the Infrastructure cause. 16:27 < f13> jwb: how can I clarify? 16:27 < jwb> do OLPC have some other setup where their packages don't follow the fedora review process? 16:28 < dgilmore> f13: that is completely different to what mdomsch is trying to do with being able to recreate srpms 16:28 < jwb> or are they treated as "normal" packages, with a special OLPC branch? 16:28 < f13> jwb: no, the OLPC packages in the Fedora infrastructure have to follow our guidelines. 16:28 < dgilmore> jwb: they do and its not buit in Fedora 16:28 < f13> jwb: normal packages with olpc branch. Some don't have Fedora branches. 16:28 < f13> some do. 16:28 < jwb> so why wouldn't we just get all the jpackage packages into fedora? 16:28 < dgilmore> jwb: anything in fedora cvs must meet fedora guidelines 16:28 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:29 < f13> dgilmore: not extremely. For that case, we only need to be able to recreate them of a certain age. Also, we can move the cruft to an archive box and not on our production scm instance clogging up resources. 16:29 < f13> but this is talk for another time. 16:29 < dgilmore> jwb: for there noarch packages that are useable on all distros i assume 16:29 < f13> jwb: because jpackage provides cross-distro builds of the packages at a different schedule than Fedora 16:29 < mdomsch> +1 to "archive box" 16:29 < mdomsch> there's a lot of stuff we'd like to hang onto, but not necessarily keep super-live... 16:29 < f13> jwb: Fedora and RHEL aren't the only jpackage consumers. 16:30 < jwb> so now we're turning into rPath? 16:30 < f13> no, we're providing an opensource development lab and compelling infrastructure for interesting opensource projects 16:30 < f13> jwb: they would be doing builds from their branch through our buildsystem, and then releasing them however they see fit 16:30 * jwb saves the rest for FESCo 16:31 < f13> jwb: but it'll be come much easier to get their updates into Fedora builds and vice versa. 16:31 < f13> jwb: I'd be happy to chat with you about it at any time. 16:31 < jwb> yeah, i might take you up on that 16:32 < mdomsch> as infrastructure team, I want to be careful about overcommitting and under-delivering 16:32 < mdomsch> but where we can offer assistance 16:32 < jwb> what he said 16:32 < mdomsch> I'd like to see us do so 16:32 < f13> nod 16:32 < jwb> we're at odds with other goals a bit i think 16:32 < mdomsch> and if we can get some resources from JPackage to help cover their needs plus a bit, great 16:33 < jwb> hm, not goals. intiatives 16:33 < mdomsch> f13, please include in your proposal to FESCo the resource estimates 16:33 < f13> mdomsch: I will be working on those next week. 16:33 < mdomsch> presuming JPackage has some 16:34 < f13> well, right now they have a box, with mock running on it 16:34 < f13> I think that's about it (: 16:34 < f13> but a good friend of mine was working on getting them more resources and a better buildsystem. I've kind of usurped that, so we might be able to get him to direct some of those donations our way 16:34 < f13> which don't help much when we don't have any frelling place to /put/ them :/ 16:36 < mdomsch> next topic? 16:36 < mdomsch> beta release on Tuesday, bits flowing to mirrors now 16:37 < dgilmore> mdomsch: :) 16:37 < dgilmore> f13: want to give a report on how the beta bits are flowing 16:37 < dgilmore> 'and how the changes have helped 16:38 < mdomsch> dgilmore, you mean reversing the streams 16:38 < mdomsch> ? 16:39 < f13> gaining control over the netapp has been invaluable 16:39 < f13> probably saved a good 3 to 5 days worth of delay this time around 16:39 < f13> mdomsch: do we have any idea how many mirrors have gotten the bits, or are getting the bits? 16:39 < dgilmore> mdomsch: yes, and us pushing bits rather than RH IS 16:39 -!- rdieter is now known as rdieter_away 16:40 < mdomsch> f13, not yet 16:40 < mdomsch> we'll know more tomorrow 16:40 < mdomsch> MM hasn't picked up the fact that the dir is open yet 16:40 < f13> k 16:40 < f13> I don't have access to a mirror to verify that the bits are open though. 16:40 < mdomsch> i do, and they are 16:41 < dgilmore> :) 16:41 < mdomsch> receiving file list ... done 16:41 < mdomsch> drwxr-x--- 4096 2008/03/19 16:52:18 9-Beta 16:41 < mdomsch> -rw-r--r-- 718 2008/03/17 10:31:50 9-Beta/.composeinfo 16:41 < mdomsch> drwxr-xr-x 4096 2008/03/19 16:50:46 9-Beta/Fedora 16:41 < mdomsch> ... 16:41 < dgilmore> ok anything else ? 16:42 < mdomsch> f13, are you going to do the .9-Beta hidden dir trick again in the future? 16:42 < mdomsch> that confused MM a bit 16:42 < mdomsch> because it can see .foo directories just fine 16:42 < f13> mdomsch: I don't have to, I could name it the final location and just ensure permissions are right. 16:42 < mdomsch> and thought the version was literally ".9-Beta" 16:42 < mdomsch> ok, please do the latter then 16:42 < f13> I wasn't going to leave it unlocked with a . in the name 16:43 < f13> but until I could ensure the permissions were doing what I hoped they would do I didn't want it obviously available to the world. 16:43 < mdomsch> sure 16:43 < f13> (having shell access to a mirror would help with this kind of thing) 16:43 < jwb> sekret 16:43 < mdomsch> f13, np, send ftp+fedora@xxxxxxxxxx the IP of a box you want to claim as a rel-eng mirror 16:43 < mdomsch> and just rsync -va ... but with no dest, so all you get is the file listing :-) 16:44 < f13> mdomsch: good point, I should do that. 16:44 < mdomsch> sbathe isn't online atm 16:44 < mdomsch> she'll do it no problem 16:45 < mdomsch> ok, I"m out for the weekend - goodbye and good luck 16:45 -!- mdomsch [n=mdomsch@xxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Leaving" 16:45 < dgilmore> all right guys thanks very much 16:45 < f13> later. 16:45 -!- rdieter_away [n=rdieter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 16:45 < dgilmore> wrapping up in 60 unless someone has something else to add 16:46 < dgilmore> 30 16:46 < dgilmore> 15 16:46 < dgilmore> done
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