15:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here 15:01 * ricky 15:01 * lmacken 15:01 * f13 15:01 * mmcgrath 15:01 * jeremy 15:01 < jeremy> (although I might disappear in a few) 15:02 * jima 15:02 * jima may disappear at any time, for any or no reason 15:03 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "Ex-Chat" 15:03 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping 15:03 < mmcgrath> skvidal: ping 15:03 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ping 15:03 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ping 15:03 < skvidal> pong 15:03 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: ping 15:03 < paulobanon> pong 15:03 < mmcgrath> iWolf: ping 15:03 -!- notting [i=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:03 < dgilmore> sup mmcgrath 15:03 < skvidal> -1 15:03 < abadger1999> pong 15:03 < dgilmore> -1 15:03 < ricky> That was fast :) 15:03 < skvidal> oh, wait, sorry, no one asked for a vote on anything, yet 15:03 < paulobanon> yay, in the office working and meeting here so i might split soonish 15:03 < mmcgrath> hehe not voting quite yet. 15:03 < skvidal> -1 anyway 15:03 < mmcgrath> warren: ping 15:03 * warren here 15:03 < mmcgrath> ping anyone else I forgot to ping: ping! 15:04 < dgilmore> skvidal: the answer is always no 15:04 < skvidal> damn right 15:04 < dgilmore> oh wait its 42 15:04 -!- stahnma [n=stahnma@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:04 < jima> dgilmore: 42 "no"s 15:04 < skvidal> dgilmore: or "Run Away" 15:04 < skvidal> which is also a good answer 15:04 < mmcgrath> k, lets get started. 15:04 < mmcgrath> First up is meeting items 15:04 < skvidal> and "I don't care what the machine says, I NEVER TOUCHED THE MAN" 15:04 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting Items 15:04 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority 15:04 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/2hyyz6 15:05 -!- giarc [n=cwt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:05 < mmcgrath> .ticket 192 15:05 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #192 (Netapp low on free space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/192 15:05 < mmcgrath> f13: how's the GC stuff going? 15:07 < f13> mmcgrath: a question for mikem, on how close we are to automation. 15:07 < f13> mmcgrath: I think he said we needed some server changes before we could fully automate, but those should be rolled into the new upstream koji release we're doing before the refresh 15:07 < f13> we've got a ton of packages that could be flushed soon. 15:07 -!- MrBawb [i=abob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:07 < f13> so if we get critical we can flush the trash and recover a lot of space 15:08 -!- mikem23 [i=iimike@nat/redhat/x-b06c3d5d18f5e9d0] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:08 -!- loupgaroublond [n=yankee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:08 < mmcgrath> mikem23: yo, we're talking about GC and were wondering how all of that is going. 15:08 < mmcgrath> how close are we to automation on it? 15:09 < jima> i asked the other day if it was feasible to put a control for maintainers to flag (scratch?) builds for deletion sooner rather than later 15:09 < mikem23> mmcgrath, well, I have the cronjobs in place (granted I need to move them to the new host). 15:09 < jima> not sure who the best person to talk to that about is, though. 15:09 < mikem23> mmcgrath, there are some issues I need to smooth out. 15:10 < mmcgrath> jima: your best bet is to file a ticket in the koji queue. 15:10 < mmcgrath> mikem23: solid, but you don't see any blockers or anything that would prevent us from doing automation in the near future? 15:10 < mikem23> 1 - there are some issues that tend to cause some of the nightly gc scripts to fail 15:10 < jima> mmcgrath: *nod* 15:11 < mikem23> 2 - I need to get a few small updates to the koji hub to reduce memory/network usage and fix a silly bug. 15:11 < mikem23> 3 - I need to play with frequency. 15:12 < mikem23> mmcgrath, in principle it's automated now. 15:12 -!- G__ [n=njones@wikipedia/NigelJ] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:12 < warren> Is GC alone going to keep us running through the holidays without more storage 15:12 < mikem23> being run through cron sounds automated to me 15:12 < mmcgrath> just needs some tweaking then? 15:12 < warren> ? 15:12 < mikem23> ok, so about space... 15:12 < mikem23> basically /mnt/koji is too small 15:13 < dgilmore> mikem23: we are working on making it bigger 15:13 < mikem23> now, there are a healthy number of builds headed for deletion in about two weeks 15:13 < mikem23> see, the gc has these grace periods 15:14 < mikem23> if we get desperate, we flush the trashcan by overriding the grace period 15:14 < mikem23> right now the grace period is set to two weeks 15:14 < mmcgrath> <nod> Its good to know what our options are. 15:15 < mikem23> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji/GarbageCollection explains the gc lifecycle 15:15 < f13> I'm farily confident that with what we have queued up to flush, we should be able to make it through the holidays 15:15 < mmcgrath> f13: excellent. 15:15 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else regarding GC or ticket 192? 15:16 < paulobanon> any plans yet for more storage ? 15:16 < paulobanon> or only after the results of the gc 15:16 < mmcgrath> paulobanon: the plans are in motion but these things always take time. 15:16 < mmcgrath> I should send a followup and see how far along we are. 15:17 < paulobanon> sounds good 15:17 < mmcgrath> anything else? 15:17 < mmcgrath> allrighty, we'll move on. 15:17 < mmcgrath> .ticket 270 15:17 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #270 (Fedora Wiki allows editing raw HTML) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/270 15:17 < mmcgrath> This is an issue discovered recently and I think it warrents some discussion. 15:17 < mmcgrath> ricky: care to explain further? 15:17 < jima> is there anything on the wiki that genuinely needs raw html? 15:18 < ricky> jima: I think some of the group banners use it, don't remember if the front page uses it right now. 15:18 < mikem23> I don't think the main wiki page would look quite as nice without raw html, but maybe I'm wrong. 15:18 * mikem23 checks 15:18 * jima would have clicked the search link, but didn't want to abuse the poor wiki 15:18 < ricky> Basically, it's possible to put javascript, etc. on the wiki that could access cookies, etc 15:19 < mikem23> ok, I think I'm wrong about that 15:19 < f13> some of the irc logs page use html 15:19 < f13> and I think some of the fever stuff used html 15:19 < ricky> With this version of Moin's auth, the only cookie should be a MOIN_ID (which would just give full control over the wiki account), but that's pretty much the full extent of it. 15:20 < dgilmore> ricky: that could be bad 15:20 < mikem23> we should probably look at how raw html is used and see is we can replace it with macros instead 15:20 < abadger1999> dgilmore: Moin's cookie is already subject to sniffing.... 15:20 < mmcgrath> So the options here are A) Acknowledge the security issue and try to negate it as much as possible or B) disable html editing. 15:21 < lmacken> 416 pages are using raw html 15:21 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i vote to disable it 15:21 < mmcgrath> Anyone interested in keeping it? 15:21 < lmacken> err.. maybe not pages, but "matches" 15:22 < mmcgrath> ricky: what would happen to the current pages if we did disable it? 15:22 < paulobanon> we will have to announce it prior to the disable to make sure that the other teams fix their stuff 15:22 * ricky tests something. 15:22 < mmcgrath> paulobanon: yeah 15:22 < abadger1999> If upstream moin implements a "safe html" which doesn't accept scripts we could reenable. 15:22 < mmcgrath> its possible they already have that and we just don't know it. 15:23 < paulobanon> abadger1999: im sure they wont implement anything new until 1.6 is out, until we do it our selfs and offer the patch to them 15:23 < paulobanon> mmcgrath: last time i checked we were using the latest Moin-stable 15:23 < paulobanon> havent checked for the last 1 or 2 months though 15:23 -!- G [n=njones@wikipedia/NigelJ] has quit Connection timed out 15:24 < mmcgrath> ricky: what are you testing and how long will it take? :) 15:24 < ricky> Looks like it'll just show the HTML source. 15:24 < abadger1999> paulobanon: I checked ~1 week ago and we're still on the latest stable. 15:24 < mmcgrath> k 15:24 < ricky> (just looking at what {{{#!fake test}}} does) 15:24 < mmcgrath> I also say we disable it until such a time comes that we can make sure scripts won't be allowed. 15:24 < lmacken> we would probably lose stuff like the spiffy sidebar in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork 15:25 < mmcgrath> ricky: paulobanon: will one of you guys put together a one or two week plan to notify everyone about what we're going to do, why and then do it? 15:25 < loupgaroublond> is it possible to make a template that provides sidebar like capabilities in moin? 15:26 < paulobanon> loupgaroublond: i think that there is a theme with some sidebars, not sure though 15:26 < ricky> loupgaroublond: Yeah, I think we can create macros that output certain HTML. 15:27 < loupgaroublond> that answers lmacken's question then :) 15:27 < paulobanon> mmcgrath: sounds good. Is there any "general" ML that can be used to inform everyone related ? 15:27 < warren> "safe html" in other sites has proven to be ... unsafe 15:27 < warren> everyone reinvents the wheel and gets it wrong 15:28 < paulobanon> warren: sad, but true 15:28 < mmcgrath> paulobanon: send an email to fedora-announce-list, I don't think enough of the right people are on fedora-devel-announce 15:28 -!- cwt_ [n=cwt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:28 * ricky sees http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros#head-7c57db7e2451458a42840f17268344df06492a2e, I'll start looking at create macros for common uses. 15:28 < warren> "Sorry, your your new trapezoidal wheel isn't working out for us." 15:30 < mmcgrath> Solid, anyone have anything else to comment on that ticket? 15:30 < MrBawb> speaking of safe html, I'm looking at an exploit that gets in via an activex exploit 15:30 < MrBawb> and uploads a keylogger to windows machines 15:31 < mmcgrath> ok, moving on. To the vote! 15:31 < mmcgrath> .ticket 283 15:31 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: #283 (Vote: Support Monotone?) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/283 15:31 < mmcgrath> Little background. 15:31 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: there website lists "Monotone is slow, doesn't scale well to large codebases and historeis." 15:31 < mmcgrath> We've had a request from Roland McGrath to support monotone because he wants to host elfutils on fedora hosted. 15:31 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 15:31 < dgilmore> eww 15:31 < mmcgrath> I've not heard back whether or not it can even be integrated with FAS but assuming it can, lets take the vote. 15:32 < mmcgrath> ============= Vote Start 2 minutes =========== 15:32 < dgilmore> -1 15:32 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:32 < f13> I won't vote until the questions I asked on list are answered. 15:32 < abadger1999> +0 I'm not against monotone. I am against monotone without some monotone-familiar admins joining infra. 15:32 < loupgaroublond> who is eligible to vote? 15:32 < f13> or rather, I won't vote /for/ monotone 15:32 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Remote closed the connection 15:32 < mmcgrath> f13: would you like us to vote next week? 15:33 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: id like to see us support elfutils but i dont see what we gain by monotone 15:33 < f13> mmcgrath: well, if we don't have anybody who can answer the questions I posed, I"ll just vote -1 15:33 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:33 < lmacken> I'm all for turning elfutils into an open source project (finally).. but unless roland or someone else steps up to help us with monotone, I'm a bit weary towards it 15:34 < mmcgrath> lmacken: I'm not even sure I like the sound of that. 15:34 < mmcgrath> I worry about people showing up to work on just one thing. 15:34 < lmacken> yeah, true 15:34 < mmcgrath> they tend not to be around when you need them. 15:35 < mmcgrath> Ok, I think monotone is a bit unclear to all of us here, let me see if we can get Roland to answer these questions by next week and we'll vote then. In the meantime we can all do a little research. 15:35 < mmcgrath> I guess we're not in a hurry to say yes or no to it. 15:35 * ricky sees http://monotone.ca/docs/Other-Transports.html. 15:35 < mmcgrath> ================ Vote End =============== 15:35 < loupgaroublond> is there any chance that one project can be moved over to another scm? 15:35 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:35 < mmcgrath> we'll do it next week. 15:35 < mmcgrath> loupgaroublond: what do you mean? 15:36 < loupgaroublond> have him switch over to git or hg, or does it have to be monotone? 15:36 < warren> I've used monotone myself, it is very capable, the pidgin project uses it. 15:36 < warren> loupgaroublond, or bzr 15:36 < loupgaroublond> or bzr, sure :) 15:36 < mmcgrath> loupgaroublond: I haven't specifically asked that but I will. 15:37 < loupgaroublond> i'm not asking if monotone is good or not, i'm jsut asking if we can ask roland to switch to something else, because i feel like this debate could get very hairy otherwise 15:38 -!- jcollie [n=jcollie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:38 < abadger1999> ricky: That's a good doc. That seems like half the battle. Still have to find out about anonymous access. 15:38 < warren> It does add risk to our server to add more and more different systems 15:38 * mmcgrath really wants to leave it at 4 systems. 15:38 < warren> we might justify adding monotone only if several other projects want it 15:38 < mmcgrath> err scms. 15:39 < loupgaroublond> does trac support monotone? 15:39 < ricky> loupgaroublond: I saw a plugin mentioned, but pidgin's trac doesn't seem to have support enabled. 15:39 -!- giarc [n=cwt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 15:39 * mmcgrath just sent jesse's questions and some others to Roland McGrath, we should know more next week. 15:39 * ricky recalls the "fun" that we've already had with the git plugin. 15:40 * mmcgrath blames the git plugin for all the zombie git processes we see on hosted1. 15:40 < mmcgrath> anywho. 15:40 * abadger1999 notes that gna has support four three SCMs so we're not the only project with multiple SCMs for hosting. 15:40 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else to discuss on this topic? 15:40 < abadger1999> s/four/for/ 15:40 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: excellent, which scms are they? 15:40 < abadger1999> cvs, svn, and tla 15:41 < warren> we're in way better shape 15:41 < warren> those suck =) 15:41 < abadger1999> Well... way more modern :-) 15:41 < mmcgrath> :) 15:41 * paulobanon wants to do an off-time vote -1 15:41 < mmcgrath> Alrighty, moving on.... 15:42 -!- J5 [i=quintice@nat/redhat/x-6905b79a0881d913] has quit "Ex-Chat" 15:42 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Schedule 15:42 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule 15:42 < mmcgrath> Nothing much new going on there. 15:42 -!- J5 [i=quintice@nat/redhat/x-85cfe85621f1df08] has joined #fedora-meeting 15:42 < mmcgrath> The coporate sponsorship is still the same though we need to get pier1 or serverbeach's logo on the hosted site (I'm still waiting for them to send it) 15:43 < mmcgrath> no new documentation or SOP's that I can think of from this week. 15:43 < mmcgrath> And no new sponsors that I can think of. 15:43 < mmcgrath> so, nothing there. 15:43 < mmcgrath> and with that... 15:43 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 15:43 < mmcgrath> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 15:43 < paulobanon> anything new with the bladecenter or the german server ? 15:43 < mmcgrath> Nothing new with the blade center. 15:44 < mmcgrath> the german server got shipped to a RH office and is now being shipped to the colo. 15:44 < skvidal> are we going to have a meeting next week? 15:44 * mmcgrath not sure what happened there but is trying to find out so it doesn't happen in the future. 15:44 < skvidal> I ask b/c I'm sure a lot of people are traveling or planning travel 15:44 < mmcgrath> skvidal: on the 20th? 15:44 < dgilmore> skvidal: hope not ill be on a train i think 15:44 < paulobanon> its my birthday! 15:44 < paulobanon> :D 15:44 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I'll go ahead and try to schedule one but if no one shows up it will likely be very very short. 15:45 < skvidal> okie doke 15:45 < skvidal> I'll be around 15:45 < skvidal> I just thought I'd ask 15:45 < abadger1999> I wrote an initial patch to get moin to handle subscriptions better. MrBawb has been doing an excellent job of enhancing that. 15:45 < mmcgrath> yeah if you guys haven't seen MrBawb's benchmarking you should, he's done a good job. 15:45 < paulobanon> mmcgrath: where can i read it ? 15:46 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: my train gets to union station at 12:15pm next thurs 15:46 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: you've got a busy day ahead of you :) 15:46 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: that i do 15:46 < mmcgrath> MrBawb: where are your benchmarks? 15:46 < abadger1999> MrBawb is working on getting it to the place that upstream will accept it. 15:47 < abadger1999> I think we should start thinking about whether/when we want to apply it to our installation. 15:47 < ricky> Curious - what's the ACL patch that we're currently using? 15:47 < MrBawb> mmcgrath: http://dan.drown.org/fedora/compare-storage.html 15:48 < MrBawb> right now I'm working on getting the code to the standards that the MoinMoin people want 15:48 < MrBawb> naming, and using their locking,e tc 15:48 < mmcgrath> ricky: it allows us to set an acl on say /InfrastructurePrivate/ and having it automatically apply to /InfrastructurePrivate/CreditCards 15:49 < ricky> Aha. 15:49 < mmcgrath> Alrighty, anyone have anything else? If not I'll close the meeting in 30. 15:51 < mmcgrath> 15 15:51 < mmcgrath> 5 15:51 < paulobanon> go go go 15:51 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting Closed!
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