On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 01:13 +0100, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: > On Dec 21, 2006, at 7:37, seth vidal wrote: > > > If we start tying down ruby or any other language as we move along we > > end up having more and more pieces of the OS that we cannot deploy new > > versions of w/o fear of breaking our administrative infrastructure. > > I'm sorry, that's just FUD. You're using FUD like it is its own thing. Fear Uncertainty and Doubt are things that a sysadmin must weigh when evaluating tools. > As someone else pointed out: It's really not reasonable to say "oh, > we don't trust we won't break our own packages so let's not use > them". Dog food and all. In particular not if the worst case > scenario is to login to each box manually to downgrade a bad RPM to > get the administration infrastructure going again. If you can login. But let's be clear, I don't really care enough about this argument to continue it. If y'all want to use puppet, do so or something. -sv