Le Mar 4 décembre 2007 08:35, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 21:58 -0500, Qianqian Fang wrote: Hi, I've let Behdad answer so far because he's the most qualified on the pango front, but I've wanted to reafirm some points for a few days, so I'll do it now: Your core problem as I wrote in one of my first mails is your font is providing bad glyphs for unicode blocks you don't really want to touch, and you're changing locales you shouldn't change so the easier and fastest solution for you has always beent to > - Remove Latin and ASCII digits from your font. Why is it there if > it's not desired? You have the chance to package a free/open-libre font, this is something that couldn't be done for most fonts but you can do it so don't hesitate to do it. > Nicolas suggested that fontconfig adds support for > conditional blacklisting of individual blocks/glyphs in a font. That > would help too, but it's not in fontconfig yet. Unfortunately many fonts are not so open and users still depend on them. So some sort of fontconfig blacklisting support is needed to support those fonts and users. From these exchanges, it seems chinese users are most affected by this problem. Since you have contacts in the chinese fonts community do consider reviving the patches posted on the fontconfig list in the past or writing others. Have chinese users indicate on the fontconfig list their support for them. It's not a short-term fix, but it's the right long-term fix, and if you don't push it this year you'll hit the same problem again and again till someone does this work. Last time the problem was discussed on fontconfig lists almost no one stepped in to write he needed this change. So fontconfig developpers decided it was a lot of work with no real need, and passed. The moral of this story is: your problems won't be fixed if you only focus on workarounds (as you're doing now) and let others with no core interest at stake drive changes. I know that culturally chinese people tend to avoid open disagreement, but if you need fontconfig to change silently hoping for fontconfig maintainers to realise this won't work. Similarly, if you need good Chinese rendering in non-chinese locales, chinifying en_US is not the solution. We've not heard from Japanese users yet but I'm sure they would strongly object to chinese-oriented defaults. That means you need to push for apps that do not do it yet to pass language info for properly tagged text to pango (like firefox does) and push for some sort of input language notification system. You can of course pass and hope others will do it but in the meantime you'll have to accept any workaround that affects users in other locales won't be accepted in the distro. And since getting proper localised input working is the only way to get your stuff working without side-effects for those other users, that means chinese users won't have optimal defaults in the meantime. >> Back to the original topic of this thread, how do you think the >> fontconfig file in my last email? The version posted on http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fonts-list/2007-November/msg00088.html looks mostly fine, except I'm not sure the DejaVu LGC Sans Mono in monospace is needed and you rely on a high priority (61) to stomp on other CJK fonts (and probably others). IMHO this needs to be approved by Jens and the language teams affected. For the version on http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fonts-list/2007-December/msg00002.html I'm not sure what the selectfont is there for. And likewise you have all sorts of stuff in monospace that assumes specific latin defaults out of your control. Will probably work most of the time, but removing the latin glyphs in your fonts would solve this in a more robust way. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot _______________________________________________ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
