What's the State of the Java SIG?

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Hi everybody,

You're probably aware that the Stewardship SIG has been picking up
some (±230) Java packages to keep them from getting removed from
fedora, and to try to keep them maintained. Since the fraction of
out-of-date packages has fallen from 70% to 30% (with 0 FTBFS issues
left), I think we've done a pretty good job so far.

But, you might ask, wouldn't the Java SIG be well suited to that task?
I'm asking myself the same thing, but I feel like I've been shouting
into the void for months - according to the Wiki page for the SIG [0],
the Java SIG has 26 listed members, of which I only recognise 4-5 as
packagers who are still actively contributing to fedora. For a few
others, I've already gone through the Non-responsive Maintainer

Both the page for the Java SIG [0] and Java in fedora [1] look like
they haven't been updated in years - they even list some things as
"wishlisted" or "in progress" which were packaged for fedora a while
ago, but have since been retired again, either due to getting
orphaned, or due to FTBFS issues — most of which were being caused by
a lack of maintenance since circa 2017, which is when most Java
packagers seem to have fallen into a black hole, as far as I can tell
(getting information by deciphering Hawking Radiation is hard, you

So, I'm wondering - what's *actually* the state of the Java SIG? The
IRC channel is silent, the Mailing list is dead except 0-2 posts *PER
MONTH* (mostly from non-SIG members), and the Wiki pages are wildly
out of date.

Can we at least get the two Wiki pages get updated to the current state?
Does the Java ecosystem on fedora need more involvement from the community?
Or is it time for a "tabula rasa" and restart the SIG?

I really hope we can get something off the ground, soon - because I
and other members of the Stewardship SIG have been spending a lot of
hours each week on keeping this stuff working, but my patience and
energy are reaching their limits. I'd really like to slowly start
handing over Java packages to someone who's actually using them, and
is interested in keeping them maintained.

So, if you're an active member of the Java SIG, or a (proven)packager
interested in Java packaging on fedora, please speak up - maybe we can
get this ball rolling :)

PS, side note about Modularity: If I understand the current state of
things correctly, the plan is to make the "maven:3.5" and "ant:1.10"
modular packages be installable alongside non-modular Java packages.
They're currently shadowing non-modular packages (since they have
default streams), but I understand this is getting fixed. This means
that the non-modular Java packages (especially maven, ant, xmvn, their
dependencies, and other packages which are used for building Java RPM
packages in fedora) will need to be maintained as non-modular packages

also posted on discussion.fedoraproject.org:

Fabio (decathorpe)

[0]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Java
[1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java
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