On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 09:30:29 AM Josh Boyer wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On 10/28/2015 08:21 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > >> The *could* be the same thing,
> > >> except cloud-init is terrible and I hate it and if that was the single
> > >> offering we had for some kind of C&S WG I would cry. I hate it
> > >> because it is ridiculous to use in a non-cloud environment, and Server
> > >> very much has that as part of it's reach.
> > >
> > > Forking this thread briefly because I think this deserves its own
> > > discussion.
> >
> > I apologize if my rambling wasn't clear on this point. Hopefully this
> > tangent is short-lived.
> >
> > > Is your objection primarily to the concept of cloud-init or the
> > > implementation? If it's the concept, not much we can help with there. If
> > > it's the implementation...
> >
> > Well, neither really. Admittedly my use of the Cloud images, and
> > therefore cloud-init, was in attempted to boot it in a VM and log in
> > more like a traditional install for simple test purposes. That didn't
> > work and getting it to the point where I could log in required running
> > some virt-tool thing to modify the image offline. So in the context
> > of "Server & Cloud", where people expect to be able to log in after an
> > install in many cases, cloud-init makes it really hard and is
> > ill-suited to that kind of environment.
> >
> > Specific to cloud environments, I have no idea if the hassle of
> > getting it setup is the norm or worthwhile. I've been told it is, and
> > I can see where having the infrastructure setup to provide the
> > credentials already in place might make the hassle much less
> > problematic.
> >
> > (It is also quite possible I hit a bug in the cloud image. I tried
> > running the local setup to provide cloud-init with ssh keys and it
> > didn't work, hence the virt-tool thing. It has been a while since I
> > tried again.)
>
> I have long said we need to provide packaged a service that can be run locally
> to provide the needed metadata, possibly having libvirt manage it. it should
> be trivial to import into virt-manager the cloud image and run it and have it
> be useful.
All you need is to create an OpenStack config drive and attach it to the VM. That can easily be scripted.
...Juerg
>
> Dennis
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