On Thursday, October 29, 2015 09:30:29 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 10/28/2015 08:21 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> The *could* be the same thing, > >> except cloud-init is terrible and I hate it and if that was the single > >> offering we had for some kind of C&S WG I would cry. I hate it > >> because it is ridiculous to use in a non-cloud environment, and Server > >> very much has that as part of it's reach. > > > > Forking this thread briefly because I think this deserves its own > > discussion. > > I apologize if my rambling wasn't clear on this point. Hopefully this > tangent is short-lived. > > > Is your objection primarily to the concept of cloud-init or the > > implementation? If it's the concept, not much we can help with there. If > > it's the implementation... > > Well, neither really. Admittedly my use of the Cloud images, and > therefore cloud-init, was in attempted to boot it in a VM and log in > more like a traditional install for simple test purposes. That didn't > work and getting it to the point where I could log in required running > some virt-tool thing to modify the image offline. So in the context > of "Server & Cloud", where people expect to be able to log in after an > install in many cases, cloud-init makes it really hard and is > ill-suited to that kind of environment. > > Specific to cloud environments, I have no idea if the hassle of > getting it setup is the norm or worthwhile. I've been told it is, and > I can see where having the infrastructure setup to provide the > credentials already in place might make the hassle much less > problematic. > > (It is also quite possible I hit a bug in the cloud image. I tried > running the local setup to provide cloud-init with ssh keys and it > didn't work, hence the virt-tool thing. It has been a while since I > tried again.) I have long said we need to provide packaged a service that can be run locally to provide the needed metadata, possibly having libvirt manage it. it should be trivial to import into virt-manager the cloud image and run it and have it be useful. Dennis
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