Matt, Although I just downloaded the Fedora Cloud, I want to test it and, if it is what I am looking for, let some of my customers who live on DeskTone, give this a test drive from a fast thumb drive on a laptop or even a modified Chromebook. These people are attorneys and real estate professionals that need the dependability of the cloud without Redmond controlling how they use the vehicle to get there - something lean and mean. If the team can get it smaller and it can access DeskTone, the universe may expand more quickly. Bruce > RUWACH GROUP > Integrated Technology Professionals > __________________________________________________ > Bruce Harrison, MSIS > bfharrison@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > www.about.me/bfharrison > 540.226.0729 - Direct > 877.338.9264 ext 700 Toll Free > Other Numbers: > - 877.338.9264 option 1: Sales > - 877.338.9264 option 2: Support > - 877.338.9264 option 3: > On Oct 27, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I've spent the last 3+ years asking people what they would like from a > guest operating system in the cloud. Sometimes framed as "Why did you > choose Fedora?", sometimes as "Why didn't you choose Fedora?", and > sometimes basically the generic question. > > I'd say that overall, the reason people say that they chose what they > did was either familiarity, or that they found documentation — or > another person — doing a similar thing, and they just followed whatever > OS that had. > > When I ask what they *want*, though, there's a somewhat different > story. It's pretty universal, though: a small, simple base without much > risk, and a library of components to go on top of that. > > Fedora Cloud Base is a decent job of being a small base, although we > still have a lot of dependency bloat and updates churn. But the library > of stuff — languages, services — is difficult. We've got a great set of > packages, but they're largely irrelevant, because the versions are > usually changing too quickly. Mostly, you've got to bring your own > stacks. > > I'd hoped that we could answer this by slimming down the base and then > offering a wide selection of SCLs on top. But, I don't think that's > really panning out. The base is way less minimal than I'd like, and I > don't know a good way to manage the updates situation. And SCLs are > both still somewhat stuck *and* unlikely to explode (in the good sense) > if they get unstuck. > > For people who chose Fedora Cloud already — familiarity, or they found > someone else familiar — we're probably okay. No one has anything > negative to say about the work we've done — in fact, people who have > chosen it generally say good things. I think it's very useful to keep > producing Fedora Cloud Base for that group. But... it's a small club. > > So, enter Atomic Host plus containers. This is, basically, exactly what > people have been asking for. The ostree tech brings some order to the > base, making updates more reliable and testable. And containers bring > us the library of components — at the very least making it easier to > bring your own, and ideally providing a new, better way for us to offer > different versions, possibly with a different lifecycle. > > That's why I'd like to move the Cloud Base image to a dedicated > cloud.fedoraproject.org page along the lines of > http://arm.fedoraproject.org, and replace Cloud with Atomic Host as a > top level on <https://arm.fedoraproject.org/>, and to rename Cloud WG > to Atomic WG (but still keeping the Cloud SIG to work on the Base > image). > > This is all just my 2¢, but I hope you'll consider them 2¢ with a lot > of prior listening. If you have a counter story which will help us > significantly grow adoption of Cloud Base *instead*, I'd love to hear > it. > > > -- > Matthew Miller > <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Fedora Project Leader > _______________________________________________ > cloud mailing list > cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
