On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Adam Miller > <maxamillion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 03/10/2015 02:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >>>> So, I'm wondering if for F22 (or F23, if we feel like that ship is out >>>> in the harbor losing sight of land already), we want to do one of two >>>> things: >>>> >>>> A. Move Atomic out of the Cloud Edition, and treat it as a spin, with a >>>> home at "http://atomic.fedoraproject.org/"; (not currently valid), >>>> similar to http://kde.fedoraproject.org -- with its own design, theming, >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> Here, the Cloud WG / Cloud SIG would focus more on cloud/virt-guest >>>> issues, and possible also cloud infrastructure (openstack, >>>> eucalyptus, etc., which we have kind of let fall to the wayside). >>>> The Cloud Base image would be the primary Fedora Edition, and Fedora >>>> Atomic would be more ... stand-alone. >>>> >>>> B. The other way around: double down on Atomic as the primary thing the >>>> Cloud WG releases as the Fedora cloud product. Here, the focus would be >>>> more on containers as the basis for the future of "cattle-style" >>>> scale-out computing, and Atomic as Fedora's cool solution for that. >>>> The Cloud Base image would be the one changed into a spin -- after >>>> all, going back to the Lego metaphor for the Fedora editions, the >>>> products are supposed to be focused on "batteries included" >>>> solutions, and while an awesome building block, the minimal base >>>> doesn't quite do that. >>>> >>>> C. Nah, keep doing the two different things and present in parallel, as >>>> we've been doing. >>> >>> Let's discuss this at this week's meeting? My gut is to pursue Atomic as >>> a spin (A) rather than asking the Cloud WG to double-down on Atomic, but >>> maybe the rest of the Working Group feels differently... >>> >> >> FWIW +1 for Spin (A) > > Please consider this in-depth. A Spin might sound good for a number > of reasons and those might be the most important factor. However at > the moment with Atomic being a deliverable of the Cloud Edition, its > placement in the various websites and promotion is rather high. The > Spins are not at the same level as the Editions in terms of reach and > impact. Atomic could make its own promotion through various means, > but get.fedoraproject.org is not going to list Workstation, Server, > Cloud, and Atomic if it moves to a Spin. > > I know Stephen is working on how Spins and other non-Edition images > are dealt with, and the Council is very interested in this as well. > That isn't in place yet, and to be honest I would be surprised if it > was for F22 at all. Perhaps Atomic has enough momentum that a change > here won't matter, but it is at least something everyone should be > aware of. Addendum: For all I know, Atomic might be such a hot ticket item in the Cloud world that moving it to a Spin would detract from the Fedora Cloud Edition itself. I was not meaning to imply one way or another that Atomic is reliant on Cloud or vice versa. I simply want to point out the less technical aspects of such a move. josh _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
