Hi Greg, > As has been pointed out, "cloud" is a very large topic. Which means that, > IMO, there are two directions we can go on this list that are not mutually > exclusive: long-winded, bloviating discussions about what we *could* do, > and detailed plans for what we *will* do. > > Let's focus on the second for now, since the first is going to happen > anyways. Agreed on this, everyone's definition of clouds are different so lets focus on what's easy now. > There are many potential cloud goals that we could be tackling, but I > believe that a lot of people would agree with this proposed initial goal: > > LET'S CREATE FEDORA EC2 IMAGES THAT DON'T SUCK. > > :) > > Right now we face a dilemma: > > * The latest Fedora kernel available on Amazon EC2 is Fedora 8; > * Various people are creating "Fedora images" based on that AKI; > * Confusion results, e.g.: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448794/how-does-an-amazon-ec2-instance-select-its-kernel > * Which (a) doesn't work and (b) gives Fedora a bad name in the process. > > We have an opportunity to fix this. Justin Forbes has been working with > some folks at Amazon to make this better, and it looks like we'll have an > "official" account that will allow us to do something clever, like put a > Gold Star next to "official" Fedora EC2 images. > > Once we actually get them up and running, of course. Which, painted in > broad strokes, maybe looks something like this: > > 1. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for anybody (Justin is on > this, but maybe could use some help?); > > 2. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for everybody (which means > coordinating a testing account for Fedora people to use free-of-charge, > which we have funding for, and then finding actual people to test); > > 3. Getting that basic image created as part of the Fedora release process > (which was discussed at FUDCon, but I don't know if any of those > conversations continued); > > 4. Providing proper tools for people to create their own images, since > creation of a custom "spin" is basically an essential activity in the > cloud. I'm happy to help out where I can on all of the above. From the discussion @ FUDCon I'd add two points to this 5. A fedora mirror within EC2 so people don't have to pay for updates etc. This allows us to provide a very small base image and people can just do "yum groupinstall some-service" to get what they want. 6. The tools and API etc (if they aren't already) for the redhat deltacloud stuff. > It may be that some of this activity is going on already, and that's a > large part of what this SIG is about: to find those people and get them > talking in one place, away from the clutter of fedora-devel and other > lists. So if you're working on tools that will help with this goal, by > all means, speak up. I've not heard a whisper since the FUDCon discussion and was wondering what the status of it was. > And now, a couple of questions. > > * For Justin. How's your current image looking? Does it work well enough > for other folks to try it out? If not, what's the issue, and can anyone > help? > > * For everyone. Have you played with EC2 yet? If not, do you have a > side project that could benefit from its use, that furthers the goals of > Fedora / free software / etc., and are willing to test our images? If so, > let us know -- we've got an account for this purpose, and can send you the > info needed to get started. Even if we don't have the latest Fedora up > yet, there are plenty of images that you can play with to get a sense of > how EC2 works. Briefly, not as much as I would have liked but its on my ToDo list. The details to get started would be great, I've got 2 weeks spare in Feb where I should be able to get a good look at this. > * For everyone. Would an IRC meeting to talk through some of this stuff > be useful -- sort of a kickoff where everyone takes an hour out of their > life to think about all this -- or should we stick to the mailing list for > now? I'd prefer mailing list discussion where possible. I find it notoriously hard to make it to IRC meetings due to other schedules and timezones. With list discussion it makes that easier. Cheers, Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/attachments/20100120/9f5a1144/attachment.html
