So as a compare here is th info from my board,
[nsollars@archrock ~]$ lsusb -vv
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 3.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 3
bMaxPacketSize0 9
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0003 3.0 root hub
bcdDevice 5.04
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x001f
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
bMaxBurst 0
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 5.04
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0019
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 1.10
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub
bcdDevice 5.04
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0019
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes
bInterval 255
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 5.04
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0019
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 5.04
iManufacturer 3
iProduct 2
iSerial 1
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0019
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
[nsollars@archrock ~]$ lsusb
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 5:51 PM Nigel Sollars <nsollars@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I have a usb3 to sata drive, il run some speed tests and get the
> information for you using this later kernel.
>
> Il dig up what the dtc/dtb used is also ( most likely itle be pretty default )
>
> Nige
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:51 AM agharta82@xxxxxxxxx <agharta82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > About USB3, seem that Fedora w/kernel 5.3.7-301 see usb 3 port as usb 1.1 !!!!
> >
> > See below, the first BUS row is very clear.
> >
> > lsusb -vvv
> >
> > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
> >
> > Device Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 18
> >
> > bDescriptorType 1
> >
> > bcdUSB 1.10
> >
> > bDeviceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bDeviceSubClass 0
> >
> > bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
> >
> > bMaxPacketSize0 64
> >
> > idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
> >
> > idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub
> >
> > bcdDevice 5.03
> >
> > iManufacturer 3 Linux 5.3.7-301.fc31.aarch64 ohci_hcd
> >
> > iProduct 2 Generic Platform OHCI controller
> >
> > iSerial 1 ff5d0000.usb
> >
> > bNumConfigurations 1
> >
> > Configuration Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 2
> >
> > wTotalLength 0x0019
> >
> > bNumInterfaces 1
> >
> > bConfigurationValue 1
> >
> > iConfiguration 0
> >
> > bmAttributes 0xe0
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> > Remote Wakeup
> >
> > MaxPower 0mA
> >
> > Interface Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 4
> >
> > bInterfaceNumber 0
> >
> > bAlternateSetting 0
> >
> > bNumEndpoints 1
> >
> > bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bInterfaceSubClass 0
> >
> > bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
> >
> > iInterface 0
> >
> > Endpoint Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 7
> >
> > bDescriptorType 5
> >
> > bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
> >
> > bmAttributes 3
> >
> > Transfer Type Interrupt
> >
> > Synch Type None
> >
> > Usage Type Data
> >
> > wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes
> >
> > bInterval 255
> >
> > Hub Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 41
> >
> > nNbrPorts 1
> >
> > wHubCharacteristic 0x0012
> >
> > No power switching (usb 1.0)
> >
> > No overcurrent protection
> >
> > bPwrOn2PwrGood 2 * 2 milli seconds
> >
> > bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
> >
> > DeviceRemovable 0x00
> >
> > PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff
> >
> > Hub Port Status:
> >
> > Port 1: 0000.0100 power
> >
> > can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable
> >
> > Device Status: 0x0001
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> >
> > Device Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 18
> >
> > bDescriptorType 1
> >
> > bcdUSB 2.00
> >
> > bDeviceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bDeviceSubClass 0
> >
> > bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
> >
> > bMaxPacketSize0 64
> >
> > idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
> >
> > idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
> >
> > bcdDevice 5.03
> >
> > iManufacturer 3 Linux 5.3.7-301.fc31.aarch64 ehci_hcd
> >
> > iProduct 2 EHCI Host Controller
> >
> > iSerial 1 ff5c0000.usb
> >
> > bNumConfigurations 1
> >
> > Configuration Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 2
> >
> > wTotalLength 0x0019
> >
> > bNumInterfaces 1
> >
> > bConfigurationValue 1
> >
> > iConfiguration 0
> >
> > bmAttributes 0xe0
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> > Remote Wakeup
> >
> > MaxPower 0mA
> >
> > Interface Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 4
> >
> > bInterfaceNumber 0
> >
> > bAlternateSetting 0
> >
> > bNumEndpoints 1
> >
> > bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bInterfaceSubClass 0
> >
> > bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
> >
> > iInterface 0
> >
> > Endpoint Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 7
> >
> > bDescriptorType 5
> >
> > bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
> >
> > bmAttributes 3
> >
> > Transfer Type Interrupt
> >
> > Synch Type None
> >
> > Usage Type Data
> >
> > wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
> >
> > bInterval 12
> >
> > Hub Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 41
> >
> > nNbrPorts 1
> >
> > wHubCharacteristic 0x0009
> >
> > Per-port power switching
> >
> > Per-port overcurrent protection
> >
> > bPwrOn2PwrGood 10 * 2 milli seconds
> >
> > bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
> >
> > DeviceRemovable 0x00
> >
> > PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff
> >
> > Hub Port Status:
> >
> > Port 1: 0000.0100 power
> >
> > can't get device qualifier: Resource temporarily unavailable
> >
> > can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable
> >
> > Device Status: 0x0001
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> >
> > Device Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 18
> >
> > bDescriptorType 1
> >
> > bcdUSB 2.00
> >
> > bDeviceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bDeviceSubClass 0
> >
> > bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
> >
> > bMaxPacketSize0 64
> >
> > idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
> >
> > idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
> >
> > bcdDevice 5.03
> >
> > iManufacturer 3 Linux 5.3.7-301.fc31.aarch64 dwc2_hsotg
> >
> > iProduct 2 DWC OTG Controller
> >
> > iSerial 1 ff580000.usb
> >
> > bNumConfigurations 1
> >
> > Configuration Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 2
> >
> > wTotalLength 0x0019
> >
> > bNumInterfaces 1
> >
> > bConfigurationValue 1
> >
> > iConfiguration 0
> >
> > bmAttributes 0xe0
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> > Remote Wakeup
> >
> > MaxPower 0mA
> >
> > Interface Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 4
> >
> > bInterfaceNumber 0
> >
> > bAlternateSetting 0
> >
> > bNumEndpoints 1
> >
> > bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
> >
> > bInterfaceSubClass 0
> >
> > bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
> >
> > iInterface 0
> >
> > Endpoint Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 7
> >
> > bDescriptorType 5
> >
> > bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
> >
> > bmAttributes 3
> >
> > Transfer Type Interrupt
> >
> > Synch Type None
> >
> > Usage Type Data
> >
> > wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
> >
> > bInterval 12
> >
> > Hub Descriptor:
> >
> > bLength 9
> >
> > bDescriptorType 41
> >
> > nNbrPorts 1
> >
> > wHubCharacteristic 0x0008
> >
> > Ganged power switching
> >
> > Per-port overcurrent protection
> >
> > TT think time 8 FS bits
> >
> > bPwrOn2PwrGood 1 * 2 milli seconds
> >
> > bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
> >
> > DeviceRemovable 0x00
> >
> > PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff
> >
> > Hub Port Status:
> >
> > Port 1: 0000.0000
> >
> > can't get device qualifier: Resource temporarily unavailable
> >
> > can't get debug descriptor: Resource temporarily unavailable
> >
> > Device Status: 0x0001
> >
> > Self Powered
> >
> >
> >
> > Oblivious, a "modprobe xhci_hcd" does not fix the problem.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Nigel, your Arch kernel does support Rock64's USB3 well? Have you tried a heavy write on it? If yes, does it hangs?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Agharta
> >
> >
> >
> > Il 28/11/19 13:58, agharta82@xxxxxxxxx ha scritto:
> >
> > Hi Benson,
> >
> > see below
> >
> > Il 28/11/19 13:19, Benson Muite ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > On 11/28/19 2:37 PM, agharta82@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > Hi Benson,
> >
> > I'm really new in Pagure.
> >
> > So am I. It seemed ok, once uploaded an ssh key, could then use command line git interface. Web interface seems limited compared to Gitlab/Github, but it is better integrated with Fedora infrastructure.
> >
> > Ok, I have to try it. Thanks for your feedback.
> >
> > Feel free to edit and make pull request. I don't wont to make errors or create confusions.
> >
> > Git keeps history, so errors can be undone. The more people that can add to code the better. It would be of interest to learn your thoughts on Rock64 board. Price point seems similar to Raspberry Pi. Are you using USB to attach an external hard drive for Nextcloud?
> >
> > Price is ok, board seems too.....but there are some problems:
> >
> > in debian-like images the network hangs if rebooted. Performance is very good. https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/ROCK64_Software_Release#Linux_Image_Releases
> > in fedora 31 minimal have bad performance (ssh & console for example . I need to do a cpu/sd/memory test in both OSes to create a valid comparison)
> > in debian-like images, if I connect a device to usb3 port it hangs after a bit....I have not yet figured out if it is a hardware or software problem....investigation is needed. In any case a ticket is already open https://github.com/ayufan-rock64/linux-build/issues/112
> > in fedora usb3 does not work.....
> > My final target is to boot Rock64 via sd-card and connect 2 HDD in raid-1 mode through usb 3 (and relative hub) and store Nextcloud data into raid-1 fs.
> > My oniric target is to use that board with IP-cameras and Zoneminder too....but for now I would be satisfied with the previous point.
> >
> > Actually I am getting familiar with fedora 31 aarch64: it is quite different form x64 version, dnf update gives me errors about protected packages (......).
> >
> > Finally, there is a file socs.d/Rockchips-ARMv8, which would fit description for rk3328 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip), but the specifications there are different than what you used. Maybe rk3328 should be Rockchip-rk3328?
> >
> > Seek values provided by socs.d/Rockchips-ARMv8 seems not working for me, but beacuse I can't see serial console I don't know why....
> >
> > In any case spl.img file is not availabe in fedora .xz build.
> >
> > I have used the default seek values form main Rockchip guide: http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Boot_option#Boot_from_SD.2FTF_Card
> >
> > Some of the other files, such as socs.d/exynos5 and socs.d/st have a few more steps than the others. Downloading spi boot binaries is not so great in Fedora as the build process is not under Fedora control. Not sure what the best solution is for this.
> >
> > Actually Fedora can run into Rock64 IF AND ONLY IF spi boot is erased. I think that an spi-compatibe image should be added in fedora (as debian do). If yes, boot could be executed directy from usb disk (and raid-1 disks I hope).
> >
> > It may be helpful to check the Fedora list guidelines, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines - top posting is discouraged, though I sometimes find I do it.
> >
> > Thanks for your contributions. I look forward to trying out Rock64 board in the future.
> >
> > Thank you for your patience, I'll keep you informed about problems & resolutions.
> >
> > My best cheers,
> >
> > Agharta
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Agharta
> >
> >
> > Il 28/11/19 12:24, Benson Muite ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/19 5:22 PM, Benson Muite wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 11/27/19 5:00 PM, Nigel Sollars wrote:
> >
> > Well done!,
> >
> > I was waiting to see how this one went. in the meantime Arch pushed out a 5.4.0-1 kernel,
> >
> > archrock 5.4.0-1-ARCH #1 SMP
> >
> > [ 0.000000] Linux version 5.4.0-1-ARCH (builduser@leming) (gcc version 8.3.0 (GCC)) #1 SMP Tue Nov 26 02:44:10 UTC 2019
> > [ 0.000000] Machine model: Pine64 Rock64
> >
> >
> > Looks like the Lima driver got some work ( more info inside dmesg ) among other cleanups
> >
> > Nige
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 8:43 AM agharta82@xxxxxxxxx <agharta82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> OH GUYS! WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!!!
> >>
> >> Finally I've found the solution!
> >
> > Excellent
> >>
> >> So, first for all SPI flash should be ERASED: fedora aarch64 does not have spi boot images (at 2019-11-27). To erase spi follow this link: https://github.com/ayufan-rock64/linux-u-boot/releases/download/2017.09-rockchip-ayufan-1065-g95f6152134/u-boot-erase-spi-rock64.img.xz
> >
> > It may be worth opening an issue in Pagure for this, not sure how it should be best included in the arm installer for Fedora.
> >>
> >> Second, install fedora-arm-installer package, then create a new ad-hoc script; this script for rock64 that I have made works well:
> >>
> >> File is placed into folder /usr/share/arm-image-installer/boards.d/ and named rock64-rk3328
> >
> >
> > Made one change, put file in socs.d/rk3328 and added a softlink from boards.d/rock64 to socs.d/rk3328
> >
> > Not sure if names I choose are the most appropriate.
> >>
> >> # write uboot
> >> echo "= Writing idbloader.img for $TARGET .... on media $MEDIA"
> >> dd if=$PREFIX/usr/share/uboot/$TARGET/idbloader.img of=$MEDIA seek=64; sync; sleep 5
> >> echo "= Writing u-boot FIT image for $TARGET .... on media $MEDIA"
> >> dd if=$PREFIX/usr/share/uboot/$TARGET/u-boot.itb of=$MEDIA seek=16384; sync; sleep 5
> >> # set console for Rockchips
> >> SYSCON=ttyS2,115200n8
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about SYSCON because my serial adapter does not works at 1500000 baudrate, so I can't test it. I have leaved it at default. Hope someone can test and correct it if required.
> >>
> >> References to find right dd seek: http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Boot_option#Boot_from_SD.2FTF_Card
> >>
> >>
> >> Next, download fedora aarch64 31 minimal xz image and:
> >>
> >> arm-image-installer --image=Fedora-Minimal-31-1.9.aarch64.raw.xz --resizefs --media=/dev/THE_SD_MEDIA --target=rock64-rk3328 --addconsole (and other stuff)
> >>
> >> Insert sd into Rock64 and power on!
> >>
> >> Connect HDMI cable, IT WORKS AND YOU CAN BOOT (a part of it)!!!
> >>
> >> Wait a bit (by default search for ipv6 ip).
> >>
> >> Connect Keyboard and follow on screen setup to set root password, Timezone etc...
> >>
> >>
> >> AT THE END ALL WORKS!!!!!
> >
> > Great
> >>
> >>
> >> Benson, feel free to integrate it to Pagure, and make a new fedora-arm-image-installer package.
> >
> > Can start on this, though I do not have this board, so cannot really test it. Let me know if you have used Pagure or Git, usually it is good for the person who found the solution to add it to the repository. If still want me to do it, can do so.
> >
> >
> > It seems you already forked the repository, so feel free to make your additions there. There is a pull request at:
> >
> > https://pagure.io/arm-image-installer/pull-requests
> >>
> >>
> >> Really guys, I am very very very happy!
> >>
> >>
> >> Have a fantastic day!!!
> >>
> >> Agharta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
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>
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