Hi, On 06/09/2012 12:24 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>>> *Every* major distro working on ARM has implemented what was agreed by >>>> all of us in the conf call. Except Fedora. At this point, the message >>>> *seems* to be that Fedora developers just do not care about working >>>> with the rest of the community, and that's a real shame. Please, let's >>>> work together to get this fixed. >>> >>> There is no "except Fedora" here. To quote your own minutes [3] >>> "Fedora; they're planning to do it Real Soon Now." from the meeting, >>> I'm not sure what was said in the meeting regarding releases but this >>> was something I personally didn't want to ship 5 minutes before we put >>> a major release out. That said it will most definitely be in Fedora >>> 18, some of it has already landed and the rest will be very soon and >>> quite possibly rolled back into F-17 once its been tested. >> >> There was urgency in the agreement - we all agreed that there >> should *not* be any distro releases of ARM hard-float using the >> wrong linker path. The Ubuntu developers managed to make the minor >> changes needed and QA them in 2 weeks before they released. Fedora >> are taking *much* longer to implement those same changes, which is >> really frustrating. > > So if it was agreed that there should *not* be any distro release > without the changes I don't see such an important decision minuted in > the meeting [1] or discussed in the cross-distro thread. In fact it's > documented that Mentor would be releasing without it and that the > Ubuntu release would have some things correct but not all tools would > be converted. I was at that meeting, and I don't think that anyone on the call knew (or at least they didn't mention) that the soname would change, which requires either a mass rebuild or a weird hack in ld.so: On 04/18/2012 01:35 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > And there's a slight wrinkle we've found (of course). The change of > the filename equates to a change of soname for the linker too. Adam > found this a couple of days back when doing rebuilds of the glibc and > toolchain packages in Ubuntu, and between us we've come up with a > (hacky, ugly, *never* to be upstreamed) solution. It seems to work > fine for us, to at least allow for supporting old binaries until > packages are all rebuilt to use the new linker path/soname. Just > talking to Andreas, the openSUSE folks are running with this too. On 06/09/2012 12:24 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Fedora 17 has a policy for our secondary architectures that is long > documented [2] for diversion from Primary architectures as well as a > widely known policy for tracking upstream [3] which was discussed very > recently with regards to the issues we've had with mainline kernels on > the cross-distro list. The published schedule [4] for Fedora 17 had > the main feature deadline as 20th March. The thread you started on > this list only stated on 31st March with upstream gcc commits on 26th > April and the upstream glibc commits didn't happen until 8th May [8] > and even on 24th May there was still ongoing discussions. That's right. It wasn't possible to make the change in the time available. If it had been just a matter of adding a compat symlink, as was suggested at the meeting, it would have been possible. > I think the thing you're missing here when comparing the Fedora > release to Ububtu 12.04 is that Fedora isn't a long term release the > next release will be in 6 months which is similar time frames to most > of the other hardfp releases. If it's open source being developed on > F-17 ARM it can be recompiled to fix the linker standardisation > problem, and commercial vendors should be well aware of the Fedora > release schedule and it's guarantee of stability especially on what is > currently a secondary arch. Fedora is not RHEL. Precisely. I don't think this is such a huge deal because Fedora is a very time-limited distro. We knew that the changes would get in on a best-effort basis. All that we have now is a six-month hiatus until F18: unfortunate, but the dates just didn't work. Andrew. _______________________________________________ arm mailing list arm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
