Some feedback comments inline. I didn't reply explicitly to every message, but used the messages below to provide some context for my comments. Two more broad comments first. 1. To be clear, as the stewards of the budget and trademarks, the Council implicitly has the authority to withdraw funding and the use of Fedora trademarks. This proposal does not add or remove from that implicit authority, it just makes it explicit. What it does add is specific requirements for how any decisions made under that authority are communicated. 2. I admit the "in the interests of the Fedora Project" part is frustratingly vague. I wanted to make it clear that we wouldn't choose to withdraw support on a whim, which is why that phrasing is in there instead of just "The Fedora Council may choose to withdraw Fedora's support from events or other activities that involve fiscal sponsorship or use of Fedora trademark." This should be a pretty high bar to clear and happen rarely. On the other hand, trying to make it less vague rapidly becomes a long document in itself. If there are suggestions of 1-2 sentences that could be used instead of this phrasing, I'd love to hear them. On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 3:40 PM Michael Scherer <misc@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I do think that fictional examples would make clearer the kind of issues > this is supposed to cover, since it might help people to dispell some > misunderstanding due to unspoken assumptions. > Example of what the policy is intended to cover: The Mindshare Committee approves a booth at Totally Normal Open Source Conference (TNOSC). Subsequent to Mindshare's approval, TNSOC announces that the keynote speaker will be someone who has openly advocated kicking puppies. The Fedora Council decides that puppy kicking is so egregiously beyond the realm of acceptable behavior that we cannot associate with this. (After all it, is very un-Friends-ly to the good dogs.) Result: The Fedora Council withdraws support from the event under the proposed policy. Example of what the policy is not intended to cover: The Mindshare Committee approves a booth at Some Other Tech Conference (SOTC). SOTC is run by Computron Ltd. Computron Ltd. competes with IBM in certain key markets and one day the CEOs fight over the arm rest on the airplane. After that both IBM and Computron Ltd. devote their entire marketing budget to calling each other names. Result: The Fedora Council says "wow, this is ridiculous". Fedora's participation in the event goes on as planned. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:33 AM Florian Weimer <fweimer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > What does withdrawing support mean, exactly? Request for a return of > funding, and removal of all Fedora trademarks from an upcoming event? > Or does this apply to future events only? > That's going to depend to some degree on the timing, the sponsorship agreement (if any), etc. So for example, if it's six months out, we may request a return of funding and removal of all trademarks. If the sponsorship/exhibition agreement does not permit that, we may just request the removal of trademarks (e.g. from the sponsor listings). Obviously, if there are printed materials, it may be too late for that. > If this ambiguity is deliberate, how can event organizers achieve some > planning certainty if they choose to accept Fedora support? > The same way they do now: with reputations and legal agreements. Sponsors and exhibitors pull out of events for a variety of reasons. This proposal is more about defining how the Council communicates the decision. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:27 AM Till Maas <opensource@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I would not limit this to "fiscal sponsorship" or "Fedora trademarks". > There might also be non-fiscal sponsorship and the Council should still > have veto power. I am not sure but this might for example affect content > on pagure.io, if there would be something inappropriate but it would not > involve the Fedora trademark. I see your point, but I don't think that's necessary. This example and other cases like it are covered by the Code of Conduct and legal policies on permissible content. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
