On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <greg.dekoenigsberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg >> <greg.dekoenigsberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> To be clear: much of this responsibility should fall on the advocates for >>> these spins. "Hey Meego, want more marketing? Recruit some folks to the >>> marketing team who care about Meego to help carry the load." >> >> >> This is probably the most relevant paragraph in this entire thread, and >> thanks Greg for making this point. Instead of "much of the responsibility," >> though, I'd say "most of the responsibility" or even arguably "all of the >> responsibility." > > But then the question becomes: if spin folks are entirely response bringing > volunteers to help with these tasks, what's their incentive to send them to > another team to do the work? > > The analogue in the working world: I'm not going to recruit a resource so > that resource can be "managed" by someone else in such a way that I only get > that resource part-time. I'm going to recruit someone who works for me, and > does my bidding, and I'm going to hoard that resource, unless there's a > *clear* benefit to me for sharing that resource. > > Seems to me like we've got two ways of providing resources to various > subprojects: 1. infrastructure support, and 2. people support. I would > argue that we've done a good job at 1., and a poor job at 2. > > Maybe the "Spins SIG" should have a strong focus on improving infrastructure > support. Improving kopers, QA infrastructure, build hosts -- those are > things that we can figure out how to scale. Scaling people is much harder, > and clearly much more contentious. As maintainer of two spins I have enough problems recruiting people to do the core stuff in the Spins let alone trying to get people for QA, Design and everything else. And I even have problems with getting the other groups to do even basic things for my spins with a few exceptions like QA who have been exceptional. If I had to attempt to recruit people to do everything I would just drop the spins altogether as it just wouldn't be worth the stress and problems. Peter _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
