On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:51, inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Scott Glaser <sonar_guy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 11:07:13 -0500 >> Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> I've spent a lot of time in #fedora. I left bc of the negativity. >>> Don't assume my sympathy for this fellow is blind. >>> >>> ~m >> >> I have been in the channel since its inception and do not recall you >> being in there very much, but that is not the point. Please do come >> back and see how things have changed. I believe you would have a >> different perspective with the changes that have been implemented since >> the formation of the IRC Support SIG. > > There is absolutely no doubt that great improvements have been made > over the past couple of years. Several years ago it was a routine > thing for people to leave #fedora and show up in other channels > practically in tears. I can't even remember the last time that > happened, it used to happen every week. > > I've largely stopped spending any time in #fedora though too for the > same reason. I just don't enjoy being there and I do enjoy being in > other channels, so I choose to spend my time in other channels. I do > think the lingering unpleasantness still discourages others from > helping and it also discourages lurking and learning which prepares > newer folks to be helpers later. > > But all that says is that it isn't appealing to me yet as a place to > park. It is improving and I have no doubt that you and others are > working hard to continue improving the experience people have in > #fedora. This isn't as easy at flipping a light switch. We are armed > with good people working toward the end of a better future #fedora and > we need to appreciate their efforts and not expect things to become > perfect overnight. > John, Thank you for explaining things much clearer and nicer than any of my attempts this afternoon. It echoes what I tried to say but without the colloquisms and lower Anglo Saxon that kept ending up every other sentence. -- Stephen J Smoogen. "The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance." Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "Let us be kind, one to another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle." -- Ian MacLaren _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
