On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Max Spevack <mspevack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I hope that we call it a code of conduct. Here's a wild stab:
1. No swearing. No exceptions. (I look forward to the first time I get kickbanned from the list for violating this one.)
2. Discuss ideas, not people. No name calling, no questioning people's motives. You don't like the idea? Confront the idea. Not the person.
3. If you must complain about a person's conduct, take it to the CWG or whomever they designate, and have clear policies for doing so.
4. The CWG needs a standard policy for violations. Maybe something like this:
a. First step, private warning, standard language.
b. Second step, one week suspension from mailing list / planet / whatever.
c. And so on.
5. Hold Redhatters and non-Redhatters alike responsible for their words. I think there's a perception, fair or not, that Redhatters get away with more.
Just my $0.02. I know it's difficult to legislate civility, but there comes a time when it's unavoidable. I suppose people can be as cranky as they want in private conversations, but public conversations reflect on all of us, and must be moderated from time to time.
Personally, I would love not to have this conversation anymore. :)
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote:Addressing *this point* (in the general case) should be the first thing
> If we have a guideline that wants to make sure everyone is civil
> towards each other and do not engage in name calling, we need to think
> about what we need to do if someone does violate it deliberately.
> Policy without teeth might as well as not exist.
that the CWG considers, and then recommends.
Call it "code of conduct". Call it "how do we deal with poisonous
people"? Call it "hall monitors 2.0". Call it whatever you want. But
I think this is the place to start.
I hope that we call it a code of conduct. Here's a wild stab:
1. No swearing. No exceptions. (I look forward to the first time I get kickbanned from the list for violating this one.)
2. Discuss ideas, not people. No name calling, no questioning people's motives. You don't like the idea? Confront the idea. Not the person.
3. If you must complain about a person's conduct, take it to the CWG or whomever they designate, and have clear policies for doing so.
4. The CWG needs a standard policy for violations. Maybe something like this:
a. First step, private warning, standard language.
b. Second step, one week suspension from mailing list / planet / whatever.
c. And so on.
5. Hold Redhatters and non-Redhatters alike responsible for their words. I think there's a perception, fair or not, that Redhatters get away with more.
Just my $0.02. I know it's difficult to legislate civility, but there comes a time when it's unavoidable. I suppose people can be as cranky as they want in private conversations, but public conversations reflect on all of us, and must be moderated from time to time.
Personally, I would love not to have this conversation anymore. :)
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