-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/20/2010 08:33 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:08, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> > >>>> governance and the number of electable Board members, which, really, >>>> is a Pandora's box of discussion that doesn't need to be opened at the >>>> moment. >> >> Fair enough. It's just a personal pet-peeve of mine when any >> organization claims to operate as a democracy but tends towards an >> extremely limited voting population. I'm just trying to identify ways >> that we can involve the community more in the election process. Other >> suggestions are welcome. >> >> Can we come up with ways to incentivize voting, somehow? (I'll admit >> that I'm coming up dry on ways to do this). > > The groups I see not voting fall into the following: > > A) There is the crowd who basically think the board, fesco, famsco, > etc are just shills of Red Hat and the ability of any candidate to > make a change will not change that. Why those people stay with > "Fedora" is usually a mislaid thought that all their work would be > lost OR that they won't go until X leaves (where X is some Red Hat > employee they hate as much as the particular RHer hates them). [Or > that they are some last vestage of the True Fedora: fedora.us versus > the mockery it is now.] > > B) There is the crowd that does not see why electing anyone will > affect them. They are here to get packages, make packages, and > everything else is something that gets in the way of those two things. > They are not here for social reasons, they are here for practical > reasons and all this Friends, First, etc is a distraction. > > C) There is the group that is happy with things and aren't really > interested in voting. They will vote if they think something stupid is > going to happen but beyond that really do not see any reason. > > I am not sure what to do beyond proposing at the election of making > voting mandatory.. which would fall under stupid enough to get people > to vote against it. > May I ask, what is the penalty for not voting if voting is mandatory? I am a user of Fedora. I joined this mailing list out of curiosity. I am not a packager. If I am missing something, I install it. I have no idea what making packages is like. I never voted. I didn't even know one could/should vote. I have never been to FudCon. I could only go if a company sent me. Such is my reality. Is that reality different from your reality? Is my reality similar to the reality of many people? Vote on what? Vote for whom? You are too close to the situation. You assume everyone knows what you know. Yet this email indicates you want to reach out to people. Who do you want to reach out to? Do you want to reach out to Fedora packagers, if such a phrase exists. Do you want to reach out to Fedora users? Who is your target audience? Why? Is there a communications problem? What communication have I missed? Where should I be looking? Did an email get deleted because it looked like a 1000 other emails I get every day? Out of curiosity, how daunting is the task to become part of Fedora? How many hoops must one jump through? What process is in place to help? You don't have to answer this question out loud...think of your answer: How did you become part of Fedora? What was your "first" step? Did you become part of Fedora because someone brought you in? If you are a Redhat employee, did Redhat bring you in? If not a Redhat employee, did another person within Fedora bring you in? Perhaps you become part of Fedora to add a package you wanted. What process did you go through? What hoops did you jump through to become part of Fedora? How were you introduced to Fedora and why? What was your "first step" into the inner world of Fedora? What am I trying to say? Step back from your problem. See your problem from the outside looking in. See your problem from those who haven't taken their first step. You can argue I don't know what I'm talking about...and I agree. I don't know what I'm talking about. What is the "first" step. I don't know the inner workings of Fedora. Is that my fault? What wiki page will explain it to me? I bet there's a wiki page. Where is it? How many other people don't know that wiki page exists? I keep going back to "first" step. How many people, on the user list, have never taken the "first" step? You want to involve us? You want to involve people on the user list? You have one other question to answer...why should I get involved? Why should I take the "first" step? The answer isn't just for me. I hope you have a good answer. I am here out of curiosity. Other people might not be as curious. They need a reason. They have other things competing for their time. They need a reason. Please forgive the tone of my email. I selected this tone to help you. I hope you will slap me down, answering these questions quickly, easily. Please see these questions as a feeble attempt to help provide focus. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky/ydgACgkQyc8Kn0p/AZSd2gCff7J3gS9/z8CX/8IENutCwySr KfwAniiBqQQUIaW1CAWX/SGXiqoktJ2i =rFXh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
