On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:26:51PM -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 07:09:47AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > >> Toshio Kuratomi said the following on 08/13/2010 01:48 PM Pacific Time: > >>> Notes: > >>> * In the Max Spevack era, the Board was pushed away from making decisions > >>> for two reasons: 1) FESCo was deemed to be the body that understood the > >>> technical issues at hand and therefore the body that should make most of > >>> the decisions regarding Fedora. 2) The Board was not all elected and > >>> therefore didn't have as much of a "mandate from the people". In the Paul > >>> Frields era, the Board started to make many more decisions. I don't think > >>> that's necessarily a good thing as they've trampled all over reason #1 > >>> above but being fully elected would help to alleviate reason #2. > >> > >> I don't recall things going down this way. Please name some concrete > >> examples of this "trampling" so we can be discussing the same thing. > >> > > The first example of it that I can think of was at the transition between > > the Max Spevack and Paul Frields eras with Codeina. Here's some pointers > > from the middle to mid-end of that: > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2008-March/005032.html > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2008-March/005054.html > > I don't understand what these two emails are meant to illustrate. > > Codeina was an open issue around the time we transitioned the FPL role > from me to Paul. I recall one of the first things that Paul worked on > with his FPL hat on was to address that problem. > > That's what I see when I re-read his email. > > What I see when I re-read mine is me doing my best to apologize for a > situation that I felt ultimately responsible for, and to be accountable > in public, especially because other people were cleaning up an issue > that carried over from my "watch", so to speak. > <nod> I agree with those things. Poelcat was asking for examples where the Board interfered with things that were rightly in fesco's sphere of influence. Since this was a transitional period, I felt it was good to post both your summary of past events and Paul's email of then current information. -Toshio
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