2010/6/18 Máirín Duffy <duffy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 09:37 -0500, inode0 wrote: >> Whatever happened to the days when the planet was a place for >> contributors to express themselves, both personally and >> professionally, "warts and all?" > > At least a couple of things have happened since those days: Seriously those days were not very long ago, I'm not talking about the dark ages. > - our community has gotten bigger, unwritten social rules aren't as > easily known anymore > > - the privilege of being a member of the planet has been extended to > anyone who signs up for an FAS account. From my POV, it used to be on > many if not most planets that you had to work within the project for a > while and become a well-known contributor before you were extended an > invitation to be added, which was considered a sort of honor. (Obviously > there are problems with that older model, like who gets to decide and > when) This was not the case when I previously raised the issue of discouraging political rants. The planet was open to all contributors then as it is now. > I enjoy reading about Fedora contributors' lives outside of Fedora, and > I don't think anyone would advocate that posts to our planet must be > Fedora-only. > > That shouldn't give any one person carte blanche to post whatever they > want, however. There are many Planet contributors who filter out > particular posts from reaching the planet because they actually care to > consider their audience. That kind of consideration for other people is > a good thing. Agreed, being considerate of others it nice. Some will do that and some won't. It isn't a requirement, feel free to encourage it. >> Given that the Fedora Planet is a fine place to express political >> views about what is going on in one country or another I can't believe >> we are now talking about policing posts that appear to actually be >> about free software. > > Seth mentioned the possibility of policing the post. I think the post is > a problem but I don't know if policing is the best way to deal with it. >> >> When I asked on this list about discouraging political rants on the >> planet because it makes us all look like idiots to new readers I was >> given the "warts and all" explanation of why that is fine. I accepted >> that then and unless it was complete BS this doesn't bother me in the >> least. > > I don't think I read that discussion - I don't remember it. It's kind of > hard to draw a strong line. It's easy to say "Fedora posts only" but I > don't think anyone wants that. I also think there are several valid > cases for Ubuntu-related posts on the planet, and such posts have > happened before without issue. The line was pretty clearly drawn in my mind. Planet contributors can pretty much talk about anything they please (given a few constraints). > But how about sexualized photos of scantily-clad women? I'm not cool > with that. Maybe some people are, but I don't want to have to stop > reading planet Fedora because I'm afraid of what might come up. If I'm > browsing planet Fedora during the workday and a big picture of Lucy Liu > in a wet white bikini is on my screen, according to my office's sexual > harassment policies, I'd be in trouble! To folks who don't work for Red > Hat, such an incident might be reason for their work in Fedora to no > longer be sanctioned by their employer. If said scantily-clad women are seen every day on television, on billboards, and in magazines I think we are overreacting. No one has to read the planet while at work if it is a problem to do so. I don't agree with that prohibition either to be honest given the previous discussion I had on this list about the planet. > To me it seems there are clearly classes of posts that aren't > acceptable. Sure. But an Ubuntu logo and while I can't read this particular post it seems to be about the Ubuntu manual project and if that is what it is about I find it hard to condemn it without knowing a lot more than I currently know. Right now it seems quite harmless to me. >> > Maybe we don't need policies and enforcement (I certainly think they are >> > an annoying overhead on top of anything they are applied to), but I >> > certainly do not want to have to tolerate this kind of crap and enable >> > people to be less than excellent *just* for the sake of not having >> > policies and enforcement. >> > >> > The person is apparently a new FAS account holder and a recent Planet >> > Fedora addition, and just may not understand. And how would he if we >> > don't have any guidelines written anywhere? >> >> He will learn the ropes by having other contributors "be excellent" to >> him by making a stink about commenting on the Ubuntu manual project? > > First of all, did you take a look at the link he provided? To me, it > appears to be a commercial page looking to grab a lot of detailed > personal information about people before offering anything of use. No, I don't click on random links from blogs written in languages I can't read. > Secondly, are you criticizing me for bringing this up at all? How have I > been not excellent in bringing up the issue here? Should I have kept my > mouth shut? Is what I've written in protest really offensive or hurtful > to the poster in question? I hope you know by now that I *know* you are one of the most excellent people I know. I do, however, think that all the high level emphasis and talk about hall monitoring, toxic and poisonous people, etc. is not only not helping to solve any problem but is creating a harmful atmosphere of control and intolerance that is not what the Fedora Project needs. John _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
