On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 08:00:32PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 03:03:59PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > On Thursday 15 April 2010 02:37:29 pm Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2010, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tom "spot" Callaway > > > > >> > > > > >> <tcallawa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > >> > On 04/15/2010 11:56 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > >> >> We've got a group called "disabled_torrent" the rules for application > > > > >> >> are "Do NOT apply for this group. It is a disabled group. Why > > > > >> >> would you apply for this group?"... People have applied for this > > > > >> >> group. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I suspect most of those folks do not read English. > > > > >> > > > > >> or they're bot signups... > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, at least some of them were actual people who told me they weren't > > > > > sure why they signed up for group X. Mind boggling :) > > > > > > > > It is probably a similar subset of the people who want install everything. > > > > > > > > When I went through the groups lists there were so many choices I just > > > > decided to mass submit for some pages as it was easier to have someone > > > > tell me "Hey you didn't want to do that." versus find out later I > > > > needed to apply for a group if I wanted to do something. I am > > > > guessing it is another example of the too many choices problem: while > > > > some people can't make any decision from the multitude there are.. > > > > some people have found it more useful to just choose everything to see > > > > what happens. > > > > > > > > > Maybe we need some kind of abstraction layer with a wizard, > > > > > > that asks some questions on where you would like to contribute. and recommends > > > groups. > > > > > > i.e. im from brasil and want to translate i get offered the general translation > > > group and the pt_BR one > > > > > ... but in general signing up for a group in FAS is the last step of > > beconming part of a Fedora group. Which is confusing since signing up for > > an account and signing the CLA are some of the first things that our > > announcements have people do. We need to send people to start communicating > > with groups right after they sign the CLA (or as a TODO list item in FAS or > > something) rather than let them explore the FAS interface looking for > > a group to sign up for. > > > > Or we need to change what the groups do so that people really do find that > > signing up for a group gets them communicating to the groups that can use > > their help. > > These are both really good points. I know there are myriad ways to > attack the problem. Would it be a good starting point, while we > discuss something better, to have a notice after CLA signup directing > users to a page of "join a team" links? (That page might exist on the > wiki for easier editing.) > Your choice of words there is good. There's a big difference between the technical act of joining a group and the workflow act of joining a team. Generally though I'm hearing 2 things: 1) We don't really see a need to standardize on how to join a group. 2) We all agree that we need to spend more time on figuring out a proper workflow here. Keep the ideas coming. I think at least allowing groups to be invite only (on a per group choice) will be a good step. -Mike _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
