On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 02:51:05PM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > >All in all, it does sound like *I'm* not a target user for Fedora. > >In fact, it sounds like (please please please please correct me if > >I'm wrong) that the Fedora you and Mike are pushing for is not > >meant to be used as a productive desktop by anybody, rather it's > >meant to be a laboratory setting they submit themselves to for the > >benefit of science and progress! > > Actually Mike and I aren't really pushing for it - we ARE pushing > for us to be realistic about our goals vs what we are actually > achieving. I would rather we set a goal that concerns what we want to achieve, and then work toward it, as opposed to setting our goal based on what we've been succeeding at so far. I understand where you're coming from, and the mismatch issue. Perhaps we meant somewhat the same thing but I think it's important to be explicit about what we're trying to do. > You know what this discussion says to me more than anything else: > Lots of people claim to want fedora, but what they really want is centos. > Not rhel. > centos. > why, you ask? > b/c they want something that a lot of people spent a lot of time > making stable and they want it secure and updated. > and they want it all for free. I think you're right that there are people out in Fedora-land who are still confused about this. But let's not confuse that with the issue that there are a crapton of people also out in Fedora-land who are perfectly happy to re-install or upgrade their systems every 6 months or so, even if that means a small batch of new, small growing pains -- as long as they know that (1) a month later, after those pains are solved, they don't reappear, grow, or get replaced unexpectedly with new and larger pains; and (2) they can get an accurate readout from us at release time as to the actual scope of the existing pains. I think there's a possible additional condition here, (3) we are making headway on constantly improving the reward vs. pain ratio that apply to some small assortment of user profiles. I think there's a clear case to be made that the reward portion has grown considerably -- maybe even radically -- over the last couple of years. But unfortunately the pain ratio hasn't dropped, and that's where we need to concentrate now. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
