On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:00 AM, John Poelstra <poelstra@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Michael Schwendt said the following on 06/24/2008 05:31 PM Pacific Time: >>> >>> I think it would really help your case to put forth some specific >>> examples of when this has or has not happened recently. >>> >>> Maybe I'm not following what you're saying, >> >> Looks like you're biased and in "defensive mode" already. What I'm saying, >> in other words, is that the election is rather uninteresting. So >> uninteresting that loading the web page and taking the time to vote may be >> considered a waste of time already. One can try little games like Greg >> and vote for non-RH candidates only, but one could also throw dice and >> pick random candidates. >> > > It looks like we're not getting anywhere so I will conclude with this. > > I was hoping we could have more of a "conversation" and understand each > other's point of view which is what I was genuinely attempting to do. > Summarily dismissing me as "biased" and "defensive" reduces things to a > personal level (away from the issues) and limits that opportunity. > > You've put forth several very strong assertions about how Red Hat controls > all decisions and that community input is meaningless. It is disingenuous > to the conversation to put forth assertions like this without any supporting > evidence and then say others are "defensive" and "biased" when they seek > more details. > Actually I didn't read the original as that.. but I can see how it could be seen as that. I do not think this is a conversation that does well in email. There are too many human conversational queue's missing and people are putting in a lot of what they think the other person's body language in. If we are going to use range voting to give people better 'feelings' of commitment, I think that initial gathering of comments about lack of participation are going to be done in a similar format.. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board