On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
a. archive.org. Solves almost all of these criteria, and we have a strong
affinity with their mission of building a digital commons -- but their
infrastructure has been *very* flaky lately, and is turning into a bit of a
dumping ground. Their RSS feeds and search both seem to be pretty broken on
a pretty regular basis.
I agree.. If archive.org worked....it would be great. I've had trouble using
it. But perhaps there is a conversation here that needs to be had with them
concerning why its busted. Can we help 'fix' it?
If I could get someone from archive.org to return my emails. Maybe
someone else could have better luck?
c. Roll our own. This will take clueful engineers, but there are a lot of
options. Vaniv, the Wordpress fork that spun out of Lulu.tv, is one. Plumi,
a plug-in for Plone, is another. Mv_Embed, a plug-in for MediaWiki, is a
third. I'm sure there are others. The big downside here is that Fedora
Infrastructure already has plenty of stuff to keep track of, and managing a
video content site is a pretty big chunk of work.
Can mediawiki scale for this?
I don't know enough about its design to say. *Any* self-hosting operation
is going to require a *ton* of space, though.
d. Miro. Maybe this is the way to go. It's packaged in Fedora, so maybe
it's worth having a handful of people set up a Miro channel and seed the
content. We could use some server space in fp.o as seed space, I would
think. I have yet to play with Miro personally, though.
We should absolutely be leveraging Miro as a client interface.
AB-SO-FRELLING-LUTELY
There are other applications in the space as well...for example little old
gpodder that could use a default fedora feed. I'm pretty sure that the
maintainer of the gpodder package would look at including a default channel
definition for fedora videos :->
But the question is how do we go about populating a channel for miro and
friends? Its just an rss feed right? And are there any submarine
trademarking issues here that would prevent us from including our own Fedora
channel in the miro defaults as we ship it?
So help me understand, someone who uses Miro:
Does Miro actually make use of BitTorrent to *distribute* video, or does
it just figure out how to download *from* BitTorrent?
Something that combines RSS and BitTorrent seems potentially awesome --
but frankly, I'm still not sure how Miro works.
The simplest thing is to tell Fedora video contributors to contribute to
archive.org, set up an RSS filter to pull Fedora-themed videos from the
oft-broken archive.org RSS feed, and let the chips fall where they may --
but I don't know if that's the *best* answer.
Do we have any other options on the table for self hosting our own video
RSS aimed at populating a miro channel? Can we for example run a
project out of fedorahosted that has enough space for to manage a theora
video rss feed for miro? We could easily slap a Video SIG together,
layout the ground rules for submitting content, select a few managing
editors to control the RSS feed, and get the ball rolling. But lets
face it video requires relatively bloated hosting space... worse than
OO.org's codebase. Without a hosting commitment we aren't gonna get
very far...even with low quality theora vids of my cat.
Yep. This continues to be the biggest problem, and one of the reasons I
went with Lulu.tv in the first place. Aside from archive.org, I don't
have any easy answers.
--g
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Greg DeKoenigsberg
Community Development Manager
Red Hat, Inc. :: 1-919-754-4255
"To whomsoever much hath been given...
...from him much shall be asked"
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