On Feb 8, 2008 10:30 AM, seth vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > do we invite gnome developers to discussion about gnome in the distro? > Not generally. Do we have a significant problem with gnome as it is in the distro? I've no problem making an extra effort at inviting people I think are stakeholders to a discussion about addressing a problem. I don't think the board should be restrained from doing it either. If its an open forum, even if its structured, in terms of how people que up to speak, inviting stakeholders to participate certainty isn't collusion. I can't see how we have a legit open discussion about this unless fluendo's pov is represented. It's not like we can ignore the fact that the biggest problem with codeina as we implement it is the ready access to the for-pay stuff fluendo offers. Not just in terms of project policy, but also technically. Aren't the fluendo items running afoul of default selinux settings because they are using intel's compiler? > > > > It puts us into a precarious political and ethical situation. So I see > > > very little good from it at this point. I'll make a bolder statement... there is very little good associated with any issue involving patent encumbered codecs or data formats generally. I don't care what we do, we're not going to end up with a good outcome. I'd like to actually have something like miro in fedora, making use of codeina, so that we can actually have a constructive forward looking conversation with miro and its sponsors about going the next step and actually helping to produce good open format editting tools to start bootstrapping our way out of this frelling mess. I'm very unhappy on where miro stance on 'format wars' They've taken a complete pass on the very issue. If we take a complete pass as well, we'll give developers in this space a reason to ignore us. The whole thing blows big monkey chunks. The fact that you need this crap to make flash usable is going to be an increasing more and more painful, because in the bright kickass future of web 2.0 and online desktop....we are screwed because flash is an integral part of this stuff when it comes to video. What if codeina was reworked such that by default we only made no-cost items available by default after the education page? What if codeina was reworked such that different service providers could drop in support for their codecs? For example, so that livna/rpmfusion could configure codeina when the release rpm was installed? If the Fluendo can task people to halp make those sorts of changes isn't worth inviting them to a discussion? -jef _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
