On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 14:12 -0400, Max Spevack wrote: > > And finally: Who do you think was making pressure to finally do the > > merger? Yes, it was the community and Red Hat opened up all old Core > > structures to make it more community-like. And attacking Red Hat for > > doing that seems bizarre. > > Thank you for this point, Axel. > > Fedora as a whole is MORE OPEN today than it was, say, when Fedora Core > 5 came out. I don't really see how anyone can claim otherwise with a > straight face. Reality check - What has changed with the merger? * Before: Core packages were maintained by @RH Now: With very few exceptions, Core packages are maintained by @RH * Before: FE was open, everybody could fix other packages. Now: ACLs are in effect. * Before: Fedora consisted of free-OSS packages. Now: Non-free packages have been introduced. * Before: Fedora was controlled by FAB and FESCO Now: Fedora is still controlled by FAB and FESCO. * Before: Core+Extras was released by RH's rel-eng Now: Core+Extras was released by a rel-eng. * Before: FE had a functional work-flow, functional simple reviews, functional bugzilla, some bureaucracy, non-functional QA. Now: koji, bodhi, flagged-reviews, broken bugzilla, more bureaucracy, still non-functional QA. All in all, from a community contributor's view it's basically the same as before. > And whether you realize it or not, a lot of the "behind the scenes" > stuff that you didn't see was a lot of the "evil @redhat.com folks" like > Jesse, Jeremy, Bill, Greg, and me explaining to various other levels of > management within Red Hat why it was important to merge everything, why > it was important to have a "free" build system and compose tool, etc. > Of course the overall drumbeat was coming from the community, but that > community goal had strong advocates within Red Hat who were willing to > use all of their "political capital" to GET THE RIGHT THING DONE. Nobody denies this - but ... trivial as it might sound, RH had initiated Fedora, so non-RH folks take it for granted that RH wanted and still wants Fedora. > If "Red Hat hated Fedora" I don't think I ever said this. It's certain @RH's peoples attitude. Ralf _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
