On 6/10/07, Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 11:47:04PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: > Returning to an old rant, where I described some of the reasons I was > still using Ubuntu:[1] > > On 1/3/07, Luis Villa <luis@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >* QA: Ubuntu aggressively pushes people to use their development > >branch and report problems, which leads to better, more stable final > >releases. At the time I chose to use Ubuntu, people were not just not > >encouraged, but actively discouraged from using rawhide. This is > >improving... > > When I went looking for rawhide information tonight, I found it > impossible to find, so maybe I take back what I said about the > situation improving :/ Try googling for 'fedora rawhide', or 'rawhide > site:fedoraproject.org' and see what you get. > > What is up with that? I ask here because it could be a web or > marketing team problem (page exists, but needs SEO love) or because it > could be a QA team problem (page forgotten about?[2] page not deemed > to be required?) The term rawhide stems from before Fedora (Core). During Fedora Core 1 and later there was a marketing effort to rename it to development. So any rawhide references have been officially changed to development. But rawhide is such a persistant name that it just doesn't fade away :)
If someone tried to get rid of it four years ago(!), and I still see references to it hourly in IRC and right on the main wiki Testing page, then yes, the effort to get rid of it failed.
... Just look for "development" instead of "rawhide" in the wiki.
'fedora development' is ungoogleable/unsearchable, and will always be unless people stop doing 'fedora development', so this is a waste of my time. Aside from it being ungoogleable, that still doesn't solve my problem- manually checking pages that should reference 'development' don't in fact reference it. For example:
> [2] free tip: on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA rawhide should be > more prominent than, say, CLAs. CLAs don't help find bugs. Also, it > would help if rawhide were mentioned *at all*. :)
No mention there about where to find/how to install 'development.' http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development : No mention of how to actually get to the packages that are under development. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraTesting : No mention of how to actually get to the packages that are under development. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Testing : at least a mention that such packages exist. It even says rawhide (oops). Forgets to mention *how to get them*, though. Oops. So, again, maybe this information is somewhere, but it is ungoogleable and unfindable, at least to a mildly persistent person like me. (And don't get me started on thl's 'we still say it eats babies' email. I thought surely it was widely understood by now that a development tree that is believed to regularly eat babies is a bad thing? Yes, it needs warnings, but if no one runs it until test 3 you'll always have this last minute crush of critical bugs that should have been possible to discover and prioritize much earlier.) Luis _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
