Re: why I'm using Ubuntu instead of Fedora ATM

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On 1/3/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Luis Villa wrote:
> On 1/3/07, Michael Tiemann <tiemann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 21:10 +1100, Rob Garth wrote:
>> > I am not part of the Fedora Project and so I guees my opinion is
>> > fairly meaningless but on the LTS support stuff. FC6 is the upstream
>> > of RHEL5.
>>
>> ...and so much more.  It is not *just* the upstream of Red Hat's
>> commercial products.
>
> Sure, but that is still the primary motivation for most of the hours
> and money that goes into Fedora. To pretend that that is just one goal
> among many makes Fedora look dishonest. To be sure, it is admirable
> (and I think admired) to say that the long-term goal is for RHEL to be
> just one consumer among many. But that isn't the reality on the ground
> right now, and to deny that (as many Fedora-affiliated people have
> tried to do from time to time) is silly.

It's not. Think OLPC for example. There is also stuff out there like
Sony play stations, Cell processors etc. It already is being used as a
base for variety of stuff out there.

<sigh>

This is exactly the kind of claim that I'm talking about- it makes
Fedora look delusionally optimistic at best and deceptive at worst.
Every time Fedora people say things like this, the rest of the world
*thinks less of Fedora.*

Compare and contrast: RH is probably the kernel's biggest contributor
(maybe IBM), but if either RH or IBM went away tomorrow, there would
still be a ton of paid kernel developers and a fair number of very
deeply skilled volunteers. If RH went away tomorrow, how many paid
Fedora developers would there be? How many volunteers would be able to
spin a new release? That is the difference between where you are,
where you sometimes claim to be, and where you want to be some day.

Do OLPC and various Cell-based things consume and even contribute to
Fedora? Absolutely. If RHEL went away tomorrow, could those projects
support Fedora? No way in hell, as far as I can see as an outsider.
Pretending otherwise is silly. Admit that RHEL is the driving force
behind Fedora right now, state that it is a goal that RHEL be just one
of many, and work in that direction.  But don't pretend it is
otherwise right now- it makes you look bad.

Luis

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