Since we're all in the metrics mood I thought it would be good to get a list of stats I think we could get, from a technology point of view, not from a 'we should' view. Hopefully to get us thinking about what we can do for FC7. Can Gets: Number of times an install completes - Phone home at end of install, won't work for installs that happen with machines offline. Number of unique public IP's doing updates - What we're doing with the yum logs, won't work for users contacting their own mirrors or specifying public mirrors that aren't ours. We'll miss groups using nat, and people on dynamic IP's will get counted multiple times. Number of OS's doing updates - By generating a key we can see how many updates are being done by which os's. If a machine is installed multiple times and updated multiple times it will get counted multiple times. Registered Installs + phone-homes - Similar like RHN, require registration or generate a unique key during the install phase and then have those machines check in periodically. This will not give us machines not on the net. Surveys: Just ask the users 'how many installs do you have, what do you use them for'. This will get us information from the people that respond. Registered users: similar to survey, we'd get a list of registered users. Registered users + registered installs + phone-homes - This is the most accurate way to get actual users who are using Fedora at a given point in time and it is flawed. It would give us a count of users and how many installs are out there. Can't gets (Or at least I can't figure it out): People using Fedora: If we start talking about schools and public labs, etc. This number is impossible to get Number of installs at any point in time: Machines could be on, off, not on a network, not updating, blah blah. This number is impossible to get. The closest we can come is the registered install + phone home. Number of desktop vs servers: The definition of workstation / server is vague and unless we specifically ask in a survey during the install, we'll never know. Basically its difficult to get the numbers we actually want. I'd imagine Microsoft doesn't even have an accurate count of machines that are installed out there and they gone to great lengths, including limiting the use of the OS, to get this information. In our case I think we should keep it simple. -Mike _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board-readonly mailing list fedora-advisory-board-readonly@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board-readonly