On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 09:54, Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 02:56, Jaroslav Mracek <jmracek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I am curios - Is there any benefit of the proposal for end users? I think that end users are the most important part of the chain - be honest they are only reason why developers exist.
The benefit to end-users is that we aren't lying to them anymore. We aren't providing them with a working service, our modules can at times stop RHEL updates from working and we have modules we can't stop publishing which do not work or are not installable. We are also not improving the modularity build system in a way that helps those users and have not in the last 2+ years.In this case, I feel honesty is the best policy and stop 'delivering' broken software we can't fix.
I also believe that a distribution of modular sets of packages is possible but not inside of the EPEL/Fedora ecosystem. EPEL 'works' by relying on Fedora rules, volunteers, and infrastructure to accomplish its mission. However there is little time or energy to deal with anything that does not fit into the every 3 month crunch in Fedora of Beta/Release/Beta/Release/Beta/etc Many of the changes to make modularity work would require breaking that cycle for some time and there is little appetite in the main community for that. Trying to keep modularity in EPEL says 'we will get to it sometime' when we aren't.
Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
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