On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 02:56, Jaroslav Mracek <jmracek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am curios - Is there any benefit of the proposal for end users? I think that end users are the most important part of the chain - be honest they are only reason why developers exist.
The benefit to end-users is that we aren't lying to them anymore. We aren't providing them with a working service, our modules can at times stop RHEL updates from working and we have modules we can't stop publishing which do not work or are not installable. We are also not improving the modularity build system in a way that helps those users and have not in the last 2+ years.
In this case, I feel honesty is the best policy and stop 'delivering' broken software we can't fix.
Somehow I feel that we are going to resolve infrastructure problem (missing feature, support for maintainers, stability, ...) but the bill will be paid (they will experience problem, breaking changes, change in delivery chain) by our users.
We have to consider that they are not participating on such a discussion, the cannot vote FESCO and so on. They did not decide to ship modules in EPEL and probably they adopted them because they use the content of EPEL. We have to also consider that they can have their own content for modules. If we will remove modules in the middle of the release cycle they will suffer for to reasons. It can create some issues and simply it is unexpected change. We will lose their trust and may be they will move to another Linux distribution. I want to say that the proposal sound like a win for maintainers (in short term), but in long term FEDORA and RHEL will lose a lot.
I agree on that and feel we will need to write documentation to help unmess up systems we have allowed to be messed up. For people who have modules already installed, mirror-manager will still point to the archived versions on dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/epel/8/modularity. They just won't get any newer ones or updates. I realize this might be 'broken' for some people, but I do not see it any worse for various default modules in RHEL-8 that are no longer getting any support there. You have to actively find a non-default version of the package to get updates for that stream from Red Hat.
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