On 08/11/2016 07:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 08/11/2016 05:16 AM, Zuzana Svetlikova wrote: >> Hi! >> >> As some of you may know, nodejs package that is present in >> EPEL is pretty outdated. The current v0.10 that we have will >> go EOL in October and npm (package manager) is already not >> maintained. >> >> Currently, upstreams' plan is to have two versions of Long >> Term Support (LTS) at once, one in active development and one >> in maintenance mode. >> Currently active is v4, which is switching to maintenance in >> April and v6 which is switching to LTS in October. >> This is also reason why we would like to skip v4, although >> both will get security updates. Nodejs v6 also comes with >> newer npm and v8 (which might best be bundled, as it is in >> Fedora and Software Collections) (v8 might concern ruby and >> database maintainers, but old v8 package still remains in >> the repo). >> >> There was also an idea to have both LTS versions in repo, >> but we're not quite sure, how we'd do it and if it's even a >> good idea. >> >> Also, another thing is, if it is worth of updating every year >> to new LTS or update only after the current one goes EOL. >> According to guidelines, I'd say it's the latter, but it's >> not exactly how node development works and some feedback from >> users on this would be nice, because I have none. >> >> >> tl;dr Need to update nodejs, but can't decide if v4 or v6, >> v4: will update sooner, shorter support (2018-04-01) >> v6: longer support (2019-04-01), *might* break more things, >> won't be in stable sooner than mid-October if everything >> goes well > > FYI, I think this tl;dr missed explaining why v6 won't be in stable until > mid-October. What Zuzana and I discussed on another list is that the Node.js v6 > schedule has it going into LTS mode on the same day that 0.10.x reaches EOL. > However, v6 is already out and available. The major thing that changes at that > point is just that from then on, they commit to adding no more major features > (as I understand it). This is the best moment for us to switch over to it. > > However, in the meantime we will probably want to be carrying 6.x in > updates-testing for at least a month prior to declaring it stable (with > autokarma disabled) with wide announcements about the impending upgrade. This > will be safe to do since Node.js 6.x has already reached a point where no > backwards-incompatible changes are allowed in, so we can start the migration > process early. > OK, as we stated before, we really need to get Node.js 6.x into the updates-testing repository soon. We mentioned that we wanted it to sit there for at least a month before we cut over, and "at least a month" means "by next week" since the cut over is planned for 2016-10-01. I'm putting together a COPR right now as a first pass at this upgrade: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/nodejs-sig/nodejs-epel/ I've run into the following blocker issues: * We cannot jump to 6.x in EPEL 6 easily at this time, because upstream strictly requires GCC 4.8 or later and we only have 4.4 in EPEL 6. It might be possible to resolve this with SCLs, but I am no expert there. Zuzana? * Node.js 4.x and 6.x both *strictly* require functionality from OpenSSL 1.0.2 and cannot run (or indeed build) against OpenSSL 1.0.1. Currently, both EPEL 6 and EPEL 7 have 1.0.1 in their buildroots. I am not aware of any solution (SCL or otherwise) for linking EPEL to a newer version of OpenSSL. The OpenSSL 1.0.2 problem is a significant one; we cannot build against the bundled copy of OpenSSL because it includes patented algorithms that are not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. We also cannot trivially backport Fedora's OpenSSL 1.0.2 packages because EPEL forbids upgrading packages provided by the base RHEL/CentOS repositories. Right now, the only thing I can think of would be for someone to build a parallel-installable OpenSSL 1.0.2 package for EPEL 6 and EPEL 7 (similar to the openssl101e package available for EPEL 5) and patch our specfile to be able to work with that instead. This is a task I'm not anxious to embark upon personally; there is too much overhead in maintaining a fork of OpenSSL to make me comfortable. How shall we proceed?
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