Le Sat, 1 Feb 2014 15:38:58 -0800 (PST), ChaosEsque Team <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit : > I feel the best way would be for alsa perhaps to be able to set what > /dev/dsp is in asound rc file (the one in /etc) > > Like how you can configure everything else via that, plus mix, move > etc everything around. > > What is your opinion. I don't use oss and don't know the internal of ALSA. But sure, from an user perspective, the best would be to be able to configure it into the asoundrc file. > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 2/1/14, Dominique Michel <dominique.michel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Subject: Re: OSS emulation doesn't allow mixing. > To: alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Saturday, February 1, 2014, 3:35 PM > > Le Sat, 1 Feb 2014 13:47:53 -0800 > (PST), > ChaosEsque Team <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx> > a écrit : > > > The unix way is that "everything is a file". /dev/dsp > follows this > > idea. You write your output to the file, and there you > go. > > The BSDs follow this. It's thought of the "OSS" way > because OSS got > > there first and got to be the DigitalSignalProcessor , > rather than > > some other pack of drivers. > > > > When Alsa is running, IT should be /dev/dsp .Not some > hack to > > perfectly emulate the old OSS. There is no reason why > /dev/dsp > > shouldn't go through dmix when alsa is being used. It > is a design > > decision to make /dev/dsp look bad and depreciated. > > > > What I think should be the case does matter a little > bit. > > What my friend thought should be the case does matter a > little bit. > > So on and so on. /dev/dsp should just work with the > default. > > And if it doesn't there should be a way to configure it > as such, > > there is not. > > > > It is absolute bullshit that /dev/dsp doe not mix. > Bullshit. It's > > been bullshit for 10 years. > > You are a developer. That imply the best way you can get > this fixed is > to stop to complain, fix it, and contribute your fix to > ALSA. > > Best, > Dominique > > > > > Windows and Mac have had nonblocking sound forever, > before linux. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 2/1/14, Beojan Stanislaus <beojan@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: OSS emulation doesn't > allow mixing. > > To: "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx>, > > alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Saturday, February 1, 2014, > > 1:39 PM > > What you think should be the > > case doesn't really matter. The difference > between Linux > > and other *nix systems is that generally they use > OSS as > > they're standard sound framework, while Linux > users > > alsa. If the applications you use require OSS you > are free > > to use OSS on your installation, but expecting > Linux to > > change its sound framework to accommodate a small > number of > > people, for whom workarounds are available, is no > more > > sensible than expecting windows out OS X to > change > > they're sound frameworks to accommodate a few > people. > > For most people, alsa is working perfectly well, > and oss > > emulation is not necessary because most people do > not use > > old applications that require sound. > > > > On Feb 1, 2014 9:23 > > PM, "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the tip. > > > > > > > > I remember using that years and years ago, It > looks like it > > would work. > > > > It's a shame that there isn't a way to configure > > alsa to do something like that by default. > > > > > > > > A friend of mine quit using linux and went to mac > because of > > these sound issues. > > > > He had used it for a few years but then gave up. > > > > > > > > It doesn't make any sense at all to not have > mixing for > > /dev/dsp > > > > All the other unixes do. Alsa should follow them > rather than > > the incomplete > > > > intentionally hobbled version of OSS that existed > in the > > past. > > > > > > > > /dev/dsp did auto-mix in the commercial verisions > of OSS > > back then. > > > > The opensource version was hobbled to get people > to buy a > > commercial license. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > On Sat, 2/1/14, Beojan Stanislaus <beojan@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: OSS emulation doesn't > allow > > mixing. > > > > To: "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Date: Saturday, February 1, 2014, 2:50 AM > > > > > > > > Have you considered using aoss? > > > > See the oss emulation page on the alsa wiki. > > > > On Feb 1, 2014 10:46 > > > > AM, "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Alsa seems to have mixing on the alsa level, > like any > > > > respectable unix sound implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I open mutiple programs that use sound, they > all work > > > > together fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Untill I open an old program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The BSDs have always have sound mixing in OSS > and > > anything > > > > else. > > > > > > > > Alsa should have such too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1/31/14, Bill Unruh <unruh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: OSS emulation > doesn't > > allow > > > > mixing. > > > > > > > > To: "Beojan Stanislaus" <beojan@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > Cc: alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, January 31, 2014, 9:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2014, Beojan > > > > > > > > Stanislaus wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not a developer, just a user who > was shocked > > by > > > > > > > > the tone of your > > > > > > > > > email. However I highly doubt that oss > will be > > > > included > > > > > > > > in the kernel > > > > > > > > > again. This its because most > applications on Linux > > > > have > > > > > > > > been written using > > > > > > > > > alsa, sand it appears oss hasn't been > updated > > > > sine > > > > > > > > 2008. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original oss has not, whic his what alsa > emulated > > > > > > > > because it was the > > > > > > > > dominant sound platform at the time. OSS > however was > > > > being > > > > > > > > developed by a > > > > > > > > company, and AFAIK it has continued > developing it. > > > > > > > > Note that ALSA also does have mixing on the > alsa level. > > > > > > > > There are layers > > > > > > > > (jack, pulseaudio,....) above alsa which can > be used > > for > > > > > > > > mixing, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > WatchGuard Dimension instantly turns raw > network data > > > > into > > > > > > > > actionable > > > > > > > > security intelligence. It gives you real-time > visual > > > > > > > > feedback on key > > > > > > > > security issues and trends. Skip the > complicated > > setup > > > > > > > > - simply import > > > > > > > > a virtual appliance and go from zero to > informed in > > > > > > > > seconds. > > > > > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=123612991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Alsa-user mailing list > > > > > > > > Alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > WatchGuard Dimension instantly turns raw network data > into actionable > > security intelligence. It gives you real-time visual > feedback on key > > security issues and trends. Skip the complicated > setup - simply > > import a virtual appliance and go from zero to informed > in seconds. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=123612991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > Alsa-user mailing list > > Alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > WatchGuard Dimension instantly turns raw network data into > actionable > security intelligence. It gives you real-time visual > feedback on key > security issues and trends. Skip the complicated setup > - simply import > a virtual appliance and go from zero to informed in > seconds. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=123612991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Alsa-user mailing list > Alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WatchGuard Dimension instantly turns raw network data into actionable security intelligence. It gives you real-time visual feedback on key security issues and trends. Skip the complicated setup - simply import a virtual appliance and go from zero to informed in seconds. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=123612991&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
