dsnoop problem

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Ok I have searched for and read just about every thread on alsa mixing and can't
get past this problem. I have a dsnoop pcm setup that I can record from just
fine, but when i try to record with two instances of arecord at once the second
one always errors out with "Unable to open slave", I have tried the
pre-configured dsnoop without a modified asound.conf or .asoundrc, checked
permissions and groups, and tried defining my own dnsoop device. I just can't
get past unable to open slave on the second recording application. Exact output
from second arecord:

ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:606:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave
arecord: main:545: audio open error: Invalid argument

Any help is greatly appreciated


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