Hello List, I am still troubled with the issue of a users password expiring, they get the messages to change, successfully change password. Then the next time that they login, the password loop begins again. I searched the archives and didn't really find a solution, but could have sworn that I had seen it solved some time back. The setup I am working with is RHEL4 servers and FDS fedora-ds-1.0.2-1.RHEL4. The clients are mix of fedora versions and RHEL4 machines. Everything works great(authentication, netgroups, autofs, etc...) other than this one issue. Here are the relevant entries(I think!) from ldap.conf on a client(rhel4): ssl start_tls ssl on tls_checkpeer no tls_reqcert never tls_cacertfile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt tls_cacertdir /usr/share/ssl/certs pam_password crypt pam_lookup_policy yes The pam.d/system-auth is: #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so and the log entry when using ssh to login with shows: sshd(pam_unix)[4227]: session opened for user but if I fumble the password it shows: passwd[4222]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user .... So, like I was several months ago, still stumped on what I have overlooked. Any ideas or suggestions on what I have overlooked? Can I find some log entries in the ldap server that may point to what I have mis-configured or not configured? Many Thanks -- Jim Summers School of Computer Science-University of Oklahoma -------------------------------------------------