On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 06:54:57PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 3/10/2013 5:45 PM, Dave Chinner wrote: > >> Does everyone remember the transitive property of equality from math > >> class decades ago? It states "If A=B and B=C then A=C". Thus if > >> barrier writes to the journal protect the journal, and the journal > >> protects metadata, then barrier writes to the journal protect metadata. > > > > Yup, but the devil is in the detail - we don't protect individual > > metadata writes at all and that difference is significant enough to > > comment on.... :P > > Elaborate on this a bit, if you have time. I was under the impression > that all directory updates were journaled first. That's correct - they are all journalled. But journalling is done at the transactional level, not that of individual metadata changes. IOWs, journalled changes do not contain the same information as a metadata buffer write - they contain both more and less information than a metadata buffer write. They contain more information in that there is change atomicity information in the journal information for recovery purposes. i.e. how the individual change relates to changes in other related metadata objects. This information is needed in the journal so that log recovery knows to either apply all the changes in a checkpoint or none of them if this journal checkpoint (or a previous one) is incomplete. They contain less information in that the changes to a metadata object is stored as a diff in the journal rather than as a complete copy of the object. This is done to reduce the amount of journal space and memory required to track and store all of the changes in the checkpoint. Hence what is written to the journal is quite different to what is written during metadata writeback in both contents ad method. It is the atomicity information in the journal that we know got synchronised to disk (via the FUA/cache flush) that enables us to get away with being lazy writing back metadata buffers in any order we please without needing FUA/cache flushes... So, yes you are correct in that the journalling protects metadata. However, the distinction I'm making is that the journal writes contain different information and have different constraints compared to individual metadata object writeback, and therefore are not the "same thing" and do not require the same protection from power loss/crash events... Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs
