If I had a nickel for every time I have asked this very question over the past year and a half... I have the Radeon 7200 PCI 32mb card. And it is listed in the "Supported Cards" list. However it is not supported, and nobody can seem to tell me why it isn't supported. I thought If I read this newsletter long enough that someone would have the same problem. Well nobody has had the exact problem, but plenty of people have been having trouble with ATI cards in general. My suggestion is, get rid of the ATI card. Don't get me wrong I love ATI cards in Windoze, but I have had nothing but trouble with them in Linux. I mean, just read the amount of posts about ATI cards in this newsletter, there are usually two or three in every issue. Maybe we should all write to ATI, XFree, and the DRI to see if we can get some better support for ATI products under Linux. Off subject: I have 3D acceleration working in Linux via Voodoo3. It however is not supported in UnrealTournament2003, which by the way comes with a Linux installer on the Windoze disk. Just make sure that you go out and by it, rather than downloading it from some hacker site. After you install it and play it a while, please write to Epic Games and thank them for thinking about us poor Linux gamers. -----Original Message----- From: newbie-admin@XFree86.Org [mailto:newbie-admin@XFree86.Org]On Behalf Of newbie-request@XFree86.Org Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:00 PM To: newbie@XFree86.Org Subject: Newbie digest, Vol 1 #1101 - 15 msgs Send submissions to newbie@XFree86.Org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to newbie-request@XFree86.Org You can reach the person managing the list at newbie-admin@XFree86.Org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Newbie digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards (Oisin C. Feeley) 2. True type Font support (Muralidhar Ganga) 3. Re: True type Font support (Keith Packard) 4. Re: True type Font support (Muralidhar Ganga) 5. Re: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards (C. Brewer) 6. Re: True type Font support (mike) 7. Re: True type Font support (Keith Packard) 8. Re: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards (Lionel Lecoq) 9. Re: X on MAC OSX Again (Dufour Eric) 10. Re: RedHat 7.3, S3 Trio64V+ and Sampo Alphascan 411: monitor turns off if I try 24 bit mode (Diego Cardinali) 11. Various color troubles (Christian SARDIN) 12. Intel i845 Video support (alan murphy) 13. Re: Intel i845 Video support (Zaher Salman) 14. Change X standard background when X starts? (f.kater@gmx.net) 15. Error compiling XFree86 4.2.0 (Ripalda-Marin, Miguel-Angel) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:01:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Oisin C. Feeley" <ofeeley@yahoo.com> To: newbie@xfree86.org Subject: RE: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Villafane, Pedro M SGT (88 DCS, G6) wrote: >> brakobak wrote: >> >> I just installed a Radeon 7500 in my computer. I >> updated XFree86 to ver 4.2.1. When I run Xconfigurator the Radeon 7500 >> is not in the list of cards to choose from even though the README says >> it is supported. How can I get this card to work? > Use XFree 3.X.X I did it with an old Packard Bell 486 DX 2 The video > adapter was listed but it did not work at all. So I use the midnight > commander and unzipped the XFree 3.x.x file and removed the 4.8 Now it > works like champ with sound and all the goodies! Don't use XFree86-3.x.x it does not support the full DRI options available for fully supported cards such as the Radeon 7500. Ask someone on this list with a Radeon7500 to post their XF86Config, copy it and then check the /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if there are any errors. Possibly you need to update Xconfigurator also? What distro are you using? (Xconfigurator is a RH specific tool AFAIK and in their latest distro release, 8.0, they've dropped it in favour of redhat-config-xfree86). Oisin Feeley --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:23:10 -0800 From: Muralidhar Ganga <gmurali@fastmail.fm> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Subject: True type Font support Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Hi, I was able to read a Telugu news paper on Windows NT, using Netscape 4.7, enabling *"Use document specified fonts, including Dynamic fonts" * Running Redhat 8.0 Using Mozilla I was trying to read it http://www.eenadu.net. I downloaded their eenadu.ttf and installed on my machine and I could only read some of their pages not completely. Sometimes a couple of reloads would help. I copied all C:\winnt\Fonts\*.ttf (all lower case ttf) and eenadu.ttf to the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF and ttmkfdir > fonts.dir, restarted xfs and X. I check the fontpath, TTF is in the path. Why am I failing to view it completely. Is there anything else that needs to be done ? OR do you think there may be some issues with dynamic fonts ? Thanks /Murali --__--__-- Message: 3 To: newbie@xfree86.org cc: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com> Subject: Re: True type Font support From: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:15:53 -0800 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Around 18 o'clock on Oct 28, Muralidhar Ganga wrote: > I was able to read a Telugu news paper on Windows NT, using Netscape > 4.7, enabling > *"Use document specified fonts, including Dynamic fonts" > * > Running Redhat 8.0 > Using Mozilla I was trying to read it http://www.eenadu.net. I > downloaded their > eenadu.ttf and installed on my machine and I could only read some of > their pages > not completely. Those web pages aren't using Unicode, but rather some weird custom encoding. The font they use shares the same bizarre encoding. This appears to make things fail in mysterious ways. I can get the main page to display correctly by reloading it, but subsequent pages never appear in the right font. I checked the fontconfig debug output and that library seems to be operating correctly, it looks like the bug is in Mozilla here. Keith Packard XFree86 Core Team HP Cambridge Research Lab --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: True type Font support From: Muralidhar Ganga <gmurali@fastmail.fm> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Date: 28 Oct 2002 20:31:09 -0800 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org --=-p7Vjc/B9pqz4k90WAf6u Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith,=20 Thanks for your quick reply.=20 How and what would I look for in Mozilla to debug more or file a bug report ? Thanks /Murali On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 20:15, Keith Packard wrote: >=20 > Around 18 o'clock on Oct 28, Muralidhar Ganga wrote: >=20 > > I was able to read a Telugu news paper on Windows NT, using Netscape=20 > > 4.7, enabling > > *"Use document specified fonts, including Dynamic fonts" > > * > > Running Redhat 8.0 > > Using Mozilla I was trying to read it http://www.eenadu.net. I=20 > > downloaded their > > eenadu.ttf and installed on my machine and I could only read some of=20 > > their pages > > not completely. >=20 > Those web pages aren't using Unicode, but rather some weird custom=20 > encoding. The font they use shares the same bizarre encoding. This=20 > appears to make things fail in mysterious ways. I can get the main page=20 > to display correctly by reloading it, but subsequent pages never appear i= n=20 > the right font. >=20 > I checked the fontconfig debug output and that library seems to be=20 > operating correctly, it looks like the bug is in Mozilla here. >=20 > Keith Packard XFree86 Core Team HP Cambridge Research Lab >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > > Newbie@XFree86.Org > *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: > http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie >=20 --=-p7Vjc/B9pqz4k90WAf6u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA9vg8Mnofn4nhi1s4RAkpcAJ4ouMC3Vd/h6h+tuM5g/wX6VzE8dwCfdqOG tBYObiBl6aQVTk9DK9CsNHk= =WyGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-p7Vjc/B9pqz4k90WAf6u-- --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "C. Brewer" <cbrewer@stealthaccess.net> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Subject: Re: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:28:09 -0800 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Surely you can use the 4.2.x series. I have a Radeon 7000 PCI 64mb DDR card, and sure it doesnt have the dual head or whatever extra goodies, but it works fine, with custom module because it's PCI. If I'm not mistaken, Xconfigurator writes a 3 series config file, and xf86cfg or xf86config writes the 4 series for RedHat. XFdrake for Mandrake will write either or, you get the option to specify, although it defaults to 4 now. Debian does it way different, remail me if your using that and I'll try to walk you through it. But the best thing about XFree86 is that under just about any distro you can use XFree86 -configure followed by XFree86 - -xf86config /root/XF86Config.new to test the config, and just tweak the minor details by hand:) - -- Chuck Brewer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9vhxw4cYuSvLqsAoRAgEyAJ9ffJ+DC03jlReT1A3cy/UTViRurQCdGEXM J1QNecR4nplHGO1ZJCboQqk= =0FDM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: True type Font support From: mike <mike@redtux.demon.co.uk> To: newbie@xfree86.org Organization: Date: 29 Oct 2002 04:58:33 +0000 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 04:31, Muralidhar Ganga wrote: > Keith, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > How and what would I look for in Mozilla to debug more or file > a bug report ? > > Thanks > /Murali Have you tried this copy font to ~/.fonts change encoding to autodetect Universal or hindu I just tried it and seems to be OK (cant be sure as I cant speak or read whatever language it is) > > On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 20:15, Keith Packard wrote: > > > > Around 18 o'clock on Oct 28, Muralidhar Ganga wrote: > > > > > I was able to read a Telugu news paper on Windows NT, using Netscape > > > 4.7, enabling > > > *"Use document specified fonts, including Dynamic fonts" > > > * > > > Running Redhat 8.0 > > > Using Mozilla I was trying to read it http://www.eenadu.net. I > > > downloaded their > > > eenadu.ttf and installed on my machine and I could only read some of > > > their pages > > > not completely. > > > > Those web pages aren't using Unicode, but rather some weird custom > > encoding. The font they use shares the same bizarre encoding. This > > appears to make things fail in mysterious ways. I can get the main page > > to display correctly by reloading it, but subsequent pages never appear in > > the right font. > > > > I checked the fontconfig debug output and that library seems to be > > operating correctly, it looks like the bug is in Mozilla here. > > > > Keith Packard XFree86 Core Team HP Cambridge Research Lab > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Newbie@XFree86.Org > > *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: > > http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > > -- Linux, Gnome what more do you need http://www.redtux.demon.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 7 To: newbie@xfree86.org cc: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com> Subject: Re: True type Font support From: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:44:04 -0800 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Around 4 o'clock on Oct 29, mike wrote: > copy font to ~/.fonts > change encoding to autodetect Universal or hindu Good call; fixing the encoding forced Mozilla to stop reencoding the data on the page. Keith Packard XFree86 Core Team HP Cambridge Research Lab --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:57:57 -0800 (PST) From: Lionel Lecoq <lionel_lecoq@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Radeon 7500 not in list of cards To: newbie@XFree86.Org Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org <snip> If I'm not mistaken, Xconfigurator writes a 3 series config file </snip> first time I hear that, in my case Xconfigurator generated both XF86Config and XF86Config-4 Lionel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:59:52 +0100 Subject: Re: X on MAC OSX Again From: Dufour Eric <eric.dufour@mednut.ki.se> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Have you tried to re-install the latest Developer´s tools. It´s providing a lot of essential basic functions that you may have wiped-out accidentally. By the way, have you taken a look at the fink website, they can provide more mac-specific answers for X11... And try starting with the Terminal instead of XDarwin : typing startx -- -quartz It will launch XDarwin but also give you informations on the causes of the failure in the terminal window. Just after the start, you can turn back to OS-X pushing apple-alt-a... good luck eric On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 06:40 PM, Lamont Cranston wrote: > I, too, am trying to get XDarwin working on a Macintosh G4 running OS > X. I had it working for two days, but (like an idiot) updated some > things and now it doesn't work anymore. I'm running OS X.2 (jaguar). I > have uninstalled it (I'm never sure if I've gotten everything, but > I've deleted everything I can find) and am starting from scratch. I've > installed "XFree86_4.2.0.1-10.2" followed by "Jaguar XTerm Update" > When I launch XDawrin the screen will go gray (in full screen mode, > like it's supposed to) stay that way for approximately ten seconds, > then it will crash and go back to OS X. > Any ideas? Suggestions? Black magic? I really need to get this > working. Thanks, > Lamont > > > _______________________________________________ > > Newbie@XFree86.Org > *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: > http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Diego Cardinali" <scroto@interfree.it> To: <newbie@XFree86.Org> Subject: Re: RedHat 7.3, S3 Trio64V+ and Sampo Alphascan 411: monitor turns off if I try 24 bit mode Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:46:11 +0200 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org XFree86.0.log XFree86 Version 4.2.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.2.0-8) / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 23 January 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.17-0.13smp i686 [ELF] Build Host: daffy.perf.redhat.com Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Oct 29 11:41:54 2002 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" (==) ServerLayout "XFree86 Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Sampo AlphaScan 411" (**) | |-->Device "S3 Trio64 (generic)" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "it" (**) XKB: layout: "it" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (II) Open APM successful (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x80000058, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,7100 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 8086,7110 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 8086,7111 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:2: chip 8086,7112 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 8086,7113 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:12:0: chip 5333,8811 card 0000,0000 rev 53 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI:*(0:18:0) S3 Trio32/64 rev 83, Mem @ 0xe0000000/26 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00006400 - 0x0000641f (0x20) IX[B] [2] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00006400 - 0x0000641f (0x20) IX[B] [2] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0x0000ffff - 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0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [7] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [8] -1 0x00006400 - 0x0000641f (0x20) IX[B] [9] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [6] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [7] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [8] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [9] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [10] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00006400 - 0x0000641f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [13] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [14] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) s3(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000 (**) s3(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) s3(0): RGB weight 888 (==) s3(0): Default visual is TrueColor (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) s3(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (II) Loading sub module "vbe" (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) s3(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) s3(0): VESA VBE Version 1.2 (II) s3(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 2048 kB (II) s3(0): VESA VBE OEM: S3 Incorporated. Trio64V+ (==) s3(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (**) s3(0): Chipset: "Trio32/64" (--) s3(0): Framebuffer @ 0xe0000000 (--) s3(0): videoRam = 2048 Kb (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (--) s3(0): MCLK 59.957 Mhz (--) s3(0): RefClock: 16000 (--) s3(0): Max pixel clock at this depth is 50 Mhz (II) s3(0): Sampo AlphaScan 411: Using hsync range of 30.00-50.00 kHz (II) s3(0): Sampo AlphaScan 411: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-120.00 Hz (II) s3(0): Clock range: 16.00 to 50.00 MHz (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "832x624" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "416x312" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1600x1024" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "800x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "1920x1200" (insufficient memory for mode) (II) s3(0): Not using default mode "960x600" (insufficient memory for mode) (--) s3(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800) (**) s3(0): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) s3(0): Modeline "800x600" 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (==) s3(0): DPI set to (75, 75) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MS[B] [1] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [2] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [3] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [6] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe3ffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [7] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD) [8] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [9] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [10] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [12] -1 0x00006400 - 0x0000641f (0x20) IX[B] [13] -1 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [14] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [15] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (WW) System lacks support for changing MTRRs (==) s3(0): Backing store disabled (II) s3(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 color pattern filled rectangles Solid Lines (II) s3(0): Acceleration enabled (II) s3(0): Using PIO (II) s3(0): Using SW cursor (**) Option "dpms" (**) s3(0): DPMS enabled Symbol xf86InterpretEDID from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a is unresolved! (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (**) Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "Microsoft" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" (**) Option "BaudRate" "1200" (**) Option "StopBits" "1" (**) Option "DataBits" "7" (**) Option "Parity" "None" (**) Option "Vmin" "1" (**) Option "Vtime" "0" (**) Option "FlowControl" "None" (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" (**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Mouse0: Buttons: 5 (**) Mouse0: BaudRate: 1200 (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) (**) Option "BaudRate" "1200" XF86Config-4 # XFree86 4.2.0 configuration generated by Xconfigurator 4.10.7 Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection # Red Hat Linux 6.0 and later use the xfs font server for improved # interactive performance Section "Files" FontPath "unix/:7100" EndSection # Module loading section Section "Module" Load "dbe" # Double-buffering Load "GLcore" # OpenGL support Load "dri" # Direct rendering infrastructure Load "glx" # OpenGL X protocol interface Load "extmod" # Misc. required extensions Load "v4l" # Video4Linux # Load "record" # X event recorder # You only need the following two modules if you do not use xfs. # Load "freetype" # TrueType font handler # Load "type1" # Adobe Type 1 font handler EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "XkbLayout" "it" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Sampo AlphaScan 411" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync 30.0-50.0 VertRefresh 50.0-120.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "S3 Trio64 (generic)" Driver "s3" BoardName "Unknown" # Use Option "nolinear" if the server doesn't start up correctly # (this avoids the linear framebuffer probe). If that fails try # option "nomemaccess". # # Refer to /usr/X11R6/lib/doc/README.S3, and the XF86_S3 man page. EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Linux Frame Buffer" Driver "fbdev" BoardName "Unknown" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "S3 Trio64 (generic)" Monitor "Sampo AlphaScan 411" DefaultDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "800x600" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Christian SARDIN" <csardin@sopragroup.com> To: <newbie@XFree86.Org> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:19:41 +0100 Subject: Various color troubles Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Hello , I try to explain my problem. I have a graphic application running fine on HP-UX, and displaying OK on HP workstation. I try to have it display (correctly ! ) on my notebook. The notebook : HP VT 6200 , 15" , 1400x1050 resolution, Windows XP Pro. I installed Cygwin version 1.3.13-2 including XFree 86 4.2.15 For the packages I have set "install" to "all" (Nevertheless I got to tar x "less" files ...) twm is the only window manager installed. So I use it. The application (staticcaly linked with X11R5 lib) requires 2 colormaps... and use XtConvertAndStore for various colors. So I need PseudoColor mode, I use : startx -- -emulatepseudo If I only do that it is the 3rd Visual which is in PseudoColor, and I don't know how to use it ? Is there a bug or a "good" way to use it ? So I have used startx -- -emulatepseudo -depth 8 -fullscreen (I am not sure that "depth 8 " helps) I set my fontpath and so on, and rlogin Hp-Ux-Workstation I start the application. It is mostly OK but XtConvertAndStore does not always succeed : OK for from_value.addr = * "#94949494949494" * "#dededededede" * "#adadadadadad" * "#424242424242" * "#bdbdbdbdbdbd" * "#212121212121" * "#ffffffff0000" * "#c2c2c2c2c2c2" * "#4fff4fff4fff" And fails for * "#737373737373" * "#636363636363" * "#280028002800" Do you have any idea of what can be the reason ? The application opens windows, with drawings... Some are iconised (and used not to be), and when I resize it, it is not drawn (I have to ask for it through an application fonctionality) ! I guess that twm is (partially) responsible for that ? Any suggest whould be welcome ! The other problem is for the drawings requiring the second colormap, of course.. Is there a way to have it ? By now, I have only tried Cygwin, but I expect to install Mandrake 9 soon. May be Xf86config will help ? As you see, I have many questions ! I hope that it can be solved easyly enough. (And that my english can be understood) Thanks Christian --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "alan murphy" <alan.p.murphy@o2.ie> To: <newbie@XFree86.Org> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:41:39 -0000 Subject: Intel i845 Video support Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C27F59.4A291B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have recently tried (unsuccessfully) to install Red Hat 8.0 on a new = Dell dimension 2300 (with Intel i845 chipset and Intel Extreme = Graphics). The X server cannot manage the video/monitor and whenever it = attempts to start up, the monitor displays "Cannot display this video = mode". I haven't been able to find out if RH8.0 uses XFree86 3.3.6 or = 4.2.1. I strongly suspect I don't have a driver to support the i845. Any = and all suggestions most welcome. Regards, Alan Murphy ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C27F59.4A291B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have recently tried (unsuccessfully) = to install=20 Red Hat 8.0 on a new Dell dimension 2300 (with Intel i845 chipset and = Intel=20 Extreme Graphics). The X server cannot manage the video/monitor and = whenever it=20 attempts to start up, the monitor displays "Cannot display this video = mode". I=20 haven't been able to find out if RH8.0 uses XFree86 3.3.6 or 4.2.1. I = strongly=20 suspect I don't have a driver to support the i845. Any and all = suggestions most=20 welcome.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alan Murphy</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C27F59.4A291B20-- --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:29:18 -0800 From: Zaher Salman <zaher@triumf.ca> Organization: TRIUMF To: newbie@XFree86.Org Subject: Re: Intel i845 Video support Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Hi, True, you do not have a driver for i845. The support for this graphics card is in the cvs tree, which you can download and compile. I did it myself and it works with minor problems. check this out: http://www.xfree86.org/~dawes/845driver.html good luck Zaher alan murphy wrote: > > I have recently tried (unsuccessfully) to install Red Hat 8.0 on a new > Dell dimension 2300 (with Intel i845 chipset and Intel Extreme > Graphics). The X server cannot manage the video/monitor and whenever it > attempts to start up, the monitor displays "Cannot display this video > mode". I haven't been able to find out if RH8.0 uses XFree86 3.3.6 or > 4.2.1. I strongly suspect I don't have a driver to support the i845. Any > and all suggestions most welcome. > > Regards, --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:13:20 +0100 From: "f.kater@gmx.net" <f.kater@gmx.net> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Subject: Change X standard background when X starts? Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Hi, I'am looking for a way to change the standard background of X (black and white little stripes) which is shown at the very beginning *before* I can change it with xsetroot -solid black. There is always a period of time in which I see these background which also causes flicker on my LCD. Is there a way to change it right at the starting of X? Would be great! Thank You Felix (I hope I didn't send this posting twice - do I get a receipt/copy of my posting in any case?) --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Ripalda-Marin, Miguel-Angel" <maripalda@elasa.siemens.es> To: newbie@XFree86.Org Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:25:16 +0100 Subject: Error compiling XFree86 4.2.0 Reply-To: newbie@XFree86.Org Hi everyone, and thanks in advance, this is my problem when using XFree86 4.2.0. I'm trying to build XFree86 4.2.0 on the following system: 1.- Intel i686 2.- Sis 630 3.- Linux 2.4.18 4.- Samsung TFT It works OK when compiling and installing, and I'm quite sure that I'm configuring OK both the graphic card and the TFT... but, when I type startx, the screen goes blank, and system doesn't respond anymore... What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance and best regards, Miguel Ángel Ripalda Marín --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Newbie@XFree86.Org http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie End of Newbie Digest _______________________________________________ Newbie@XFree86.Org *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
