Hartmut Figge: >I could provide a full log taken with 2>&1 | tee g3_log.txt if that >would be helpful. At the end of that file there is a loop in which >displaying the start menu is tried over and over again. Two times of >that loop should be enough and i have cut out the remainder. I have received a PM asking for that, but this message has not appeared at gmane yet. Hm. Well, then i will answer to my own message. Gothic 3 was started so: cd in the directory where Gothic3.exe resides and then issuing 'wine Gothic3.exe 2>&1 | tee ~/g3_log.txt. This file and possibly later more of them can be found here: http://www.triffids.de/pub/wine/gothic_3/ The game was terminated by issuing 'wineserver -k' in another xterm. The following patch was applied to Gothic 3: Gothic_3_Community_Patch_v174_Int_Full Without this patch Gothic 3 crashes immediately on wine. AFAIR *g* Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)